Chase The Unknown Podcast
Welcome to the Chase The Unknown Podcast, brought to you by the Boondocks Hunting Podcast family! This show is all about embracing the pure joy, excitement, and rush that comes from not knowing what lies just around the bend. To us, Chase The Unknown means the thrill of stepping into the wild with no guarantees—whether it’s locking eyes with a 200-inch whitetail, crossing paths with a 500-lb black bear, hearing the thunderous gobble of a turkey, or simply witnessing the beauty and unpredictability of nature. It’s about the anticipation, the adventure, and the stories that follow.
But what does Chase The Unknown mean to you? Is it the adrenaline of the hunt, the connection to nature, or the pursuit of something greater than yourself? Join us as we explore those questions, share incredible stories, and celebrate the thrill of the hunt—where the outcome is always unknown but the journey is unforgettable.
Let’s chase it together—one adventure at a time!
Chase The Unknown Podcast
Mushrooms, Mental Clarity, and TimberWolf Supply Co : A Hunter's Secret Weapon
Are energy drinks sabotaging your hunting success? Logan Sandburn believes there's a better way. As a police officer who's spent 11 years working night shifts and chugging caffeine to stay alert, he knows firsthand the crash-and-burn cycle of traditional energy drinks.
During a hunting trip to Colorado, Logan learned the hard way about energy drinks' drawbacks - after chugging one and immediately climbing a mountain, he was hit with debilitating altitude sickness that nearly ruined his entire hunting experience. That moment sparked the creation of Timberwolf Supply Company and their flagship product, Ranger - a cognitive performance supplement designed specifically for hunters and outdoor enthusiasts.
What makes Ranger different? Instead of flooding your system with 300mg of caffeine like most energy drinks, Ranger provides just 100mg alongside powerful brain-enhancing mushrooms: lion's mane, ashwagandha, and cordyceps. These ingredients, used for thousands of years in Eastern medicine, help you achieve mental clarity, improved focus, and better decision-making without the jitters, racing heart, or inevitable crash.
Logan shares how hunters face critical moments when focus matters most - whether it's deciding to get out of bed for that early morning hunt or maintaining awareness in the stand instead of scrolling through your phone (and potentially missing that passing buck). Ranger was created to give hunters the mental edge needed for these pivotal moments.
Beyond hunting applications, Logan reveals how Ranger has unexpectedly helped people with traumatic brain injuries improve their daily functioning - a benefit he never anticipated when creating the product. With convenient stick packs that mix with water, a delicious "Liger's Blood" flavor, and a vision to create "a more capable outdoors community," Timberwolf Supply Company represents a new approach to performance enhancement for hunters.
Ready to transform your hunting experience? Try Ranger for yourself and discover what true mental clarity in the field feels like. Your next successful hunt might depend on it.
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Speaker 1:Every hunter has a moment when the woods go quiet, the air shifts and time slows down and in that stillness you realize you're not chasing the game, you're chasing something bigger. Welcome to the chase, the unknown podcast, where we go beyond the saddle, past the trail cameras and deep into the stories that fuel the fire. This show is for the ones who lose sleep over the rut, who hike miles into the public land for just a chance and who live for that silence before the shot. From the back country to the back roads we sit down with hunters and trappers with a relentless stories, who live for the thrill, embrace the unknown and return with the stories we're telling.
Speaker 1:This is more than a podcast. This is the start of something real. Let's chase it. Everyone, I want you guys to give a warm welcome. You know, for someone I think I found your page, probably like a couple I think you actually liked, I think, a post and I looked into you guys your a post and I looked into you guys, your page, and I saw what you guys are doing and you know I'm really happy to sit down and talk to you, especially as one of the first ever guests coming on our brand new show, chase, the unknown podcast, logan sandburn. Welcome.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the show, thank you, uh, I really appreciate that and I'm very honored uh to be one of the first guests. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you know, like I said, I was looking forward to this one. You know I was lining up what you were going to be there one, two or three there was you know what schedule and everything like that. And I'm actually kind of you know happy that this is what, because this is a brand up. This is our first time talking. You know a couple of the other people there. You know they've actually been on other shows. I want to, if we're going to start a brand new show, we might as well start off right and start off with somebody we've never actually talked to. But Logan, you know, give everyone a quick rundown on you know a little bit about yourself and what you, what you guys do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I personally have a lot of irons in the fire. I uh I am a police officer, um, as a career, but uh, I also do photo and video work, and then I am co-owner of Timberwolf supply company, and so we started that uh two years ago, or while we launched it two years ago, uh, it's myself and a coworker of mine, another police officer, his name is Tim Kintzer and yeah, we kind of just got an idea that we wanted to do something bigger and better than what we were doing you know, doing police work and so we decided to try and create something for ourselves, and so we spent probably almost a year trying to develop what we wanted to do and and make different business decisions on branding and and products and all that sort of stuff. And uh, obviously, we landed on a supplement and that's uh kind of brought us to here. It's it's been a process, uh, the, the whole, the whole development and business building and all of that.
Speaker 2:That's a whole different podcast, um, but yeah, it's it. It's not been an easy road, uh, not to deter anybody. It's been worth it, but it's definitely uh had its challenges and and obviously for me, uh, time management with, with doing kind of everything it's. It's been a lot, um, you know, I did, uh, the run and gun and podcast as well. Uh, I was the co-host on that for a little while, and so it's. I've kind of dabbled in a little bit of everything on a personal level.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean just talking. You know, first creating a business, yeah, it's never easy but, like you said, it is rewarding. You know there's a lot of ups and downs that I imagine, especially creating what you guys have created. I imagine what goes into that you created a legit product, not for consumption and everything like that. So I can only imagine what that looked like, the testing. You know how you actually got to where you guys are are now. You know, and I imagine we'll we'll dabble into some of it and then also balancing, like you know, family life and everything else you're doing hunting season, you know you, you were doing, you know co-hosting a podcast and everything like that. But you know, explain, you know a little bit, for you know everyone out there who doesn't know what the company's message is, the idea and the mission for your guys' company, yeah, so I guess a little bit.
Speaker 2:Even more background is I've been into fitness and nutrition since I was probably 13 years old. I started eating right and exercising, doing all that kind of fun stuff. So I'm going on like 20 years of I guess you could call it being like in the fitness industry. And then I've got my nutrition certification and all that fun stuff. So I have extensive knowledge when it comes to supplements and nutrition and all of those things. And then I've also kind of done my own research with myself, uh, as far as taking supplements and trying different things. And you know, I at one point in my life, like I worked at GNC and so I've tried, uh, all kinds of, uh, different things, of different things as far as like supplements and pre-workouts and proteins and all of that Right, and so through the course of that, obviously, the I guess uh to. To explain, it's uh, the supplements called Ranger Uh, that's the name of the actual supplement and the the ingredients that we put into it were based off of everything that we used and liked, and so that's kind of again, like the whole point of that is that that's what our brand stands for.
Speaker 2:It's stuff that we have used, experienced and stuff that we like and um have found success in, and that's what we want to promote. That's what we want other people to uh experience as well, and so, like some of the uh, our like core values are, um, like fall, both on like the the personal side and then also on like the hunting side Um cause like this. This supplement can be used, obviously, for hunting, and that's why we created it, but, like, a lot of people, just use it for everyday life or for work or other things like that Um, it just so happens that like this is a a huge passion of mine, and so I feel like I want it's, it's kind of my. My target audience is people like myself, right, um, and so some of the uh the values that we hold are just like loyalty and integrity and conservation, um, and it's just the right thing, is always the right thing, and that's something that we really stand by.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I and I, I love that. You know that that's like a lot of people, especially with what we do. You know, you know you look at the hunting side, the outdoor side, from hunting, fishing, hiking, everything like that, Like one, I think mostly everyone that I've met in in this world that what we do, loyalty is a, is a huge thing, and you know. And obviously, conservation, you know that's just like your typical, known like I don't know too many outdoorsmen or you know who are, who are not. You know conservation first and everything like that. You know and it's it's great to see because, like everyone you talk to, I and I, I love, I truly do love this community that is that's being built that we have here. Because you know, yeah, we people who, looking outside in, like, oh, we're just hunters, yada, yada, yada, but like you know, it's it's way more than that. You know the passion you know that we have and it really comes out to like not everyone, but eating healthy is a big one, big part of why people like to hunt. You know, you know wild game, you know you can go out and hunt your food and go um catch your food with fishing, and that's also growing food too as well. And you know being kind of in one with nature and, you know, gives us this mental clarity. And you know a in a chaotic world that we kind of live in, especially if you you live close to the city or you have a job, that's very like go, go, go, go go. You know doing what we do. You know it kind of brings us back to and centers us a little bit, but you know creating what. You know what you guys have especially.
Speaker 1:You know I've seen some of the ingredients and you know, like we've talked in the past, like you know lion's mane and all these things, like they've just grown so much in popularity and so much just studying has gone in and how much healthier this is for for our bodies. And you know, instead of doing, you know, like the pre workouts, the energy drinks, you know that's just loaded with just sugar and all these just like bad things for us. You know I've always believed. You know mushrooms here. You know the Native Americans this is, this is what they use and everything like that, and they use all their resources that the land has gave us, situation and what we, what we have here, and you know looking for something that is truly healthy and beneficial in so many ways, without you know all the the negative that you would get with you know some of the stuff out there as well, very interesting, and you know I'm really, like I said, really excited and really excited to use this too, as well, you know, and and use it in my, my everyday world too, because, yes, you know, and and use it in my, my everyday world too, because, yes, I like to work out and everything like that.
Speaker 1:You know I, my job can be, you know, chaotic, but I think you know it's all natural, as healthy as you can Lifestyle is is the best one that that you're going to get, and it's been very popular, I think, and grown in demand since since COVID has, you know, when everyone really wants to be health conscious, and I think the outdoors has grown in a big way, and you know we're, we're doing all these things. So you know I, I love what you guys are doing over there.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that, yeah, and obviously I agree. It's the. I mean, our main mission, or our mission statement, is to create a more capable outdoors community, and that's really the goal is to help people get away from those bad, unhealthy habits. So, to deep dive the background of the brand, I've been a police officer for 11 years and the majority of that's been spent on night shift. You know swapping or flipping schedules and doing all that stuff. You know, to make life happen, it's, it's tough, and so I've relied a lot on energy drinks drank a ton of them in my lifetime, unfortunately and so in 2020, I decided to.
Speaker 2:Actually, tim went with me 30 hours out there. You know, drive through the night, get there and then full head of steam, like we're here, let's go climb the mountain. And it's exactly what we did. We drove through the night, got there, you know I chugged a bang and then, uh, and then climbed a mountain and it kicked my ass. Uh, I got altitude sickness and it kind of it kind of ruined the trip. Um, you know, I wasn't wanting to eat or drink or really do anything. It was just like it really knocked me down. Um, and that was the inception of the idea of like okay, I need something that's going to be better, uh, than than, you know, drinking an energy drinker. All the, all the ingredients that are in that obviously had an effect on me, um, when I went through that much exertion, and so it took us a couple of years to kind of come to an agreement on what would work and what wouldn't, and a couple more trips out West. You know, I've been to Colorado three years, or sorry, four years, montana one year, and so we've kind of done some some R and D and and tried some different things, and the.
Speaker 2:What we developed was something that is essentially a cognitive performance supplement versus an energy supplement, and so it's got a hundred milligrams of caffeine, which is plenty. Uh, most of everything else has, you know, way more than that double, double, if not triple, and the. Our main three ingredients are lion's mane, ashwagandha, quarter steps, which, like you said, are mushrooms that have traditionally been used in Eastern medicine for, you know, thousands of years, and then, obviously more recently, have been research-based to provide the brain with everything that it needs to actually perform, both in the short term and in the long term. And and that was a huge factor for us too, is that you know when, when it comes to memory retention and like long-term brain health, this stuff, these products or sorry, these ingredients, really help with that as well. And so just to, I guess, give you the rundown like we've got alpha GPC, uh, coq10, 5-htp, tyrosine, um theobromine and then um acetylcarnitine, that all of those are essentially ingredients that help with that brain performance. That's what they, that's what they're made to do, that's how the body utilizes them. And so, more so than like you've got kind of the two different categories.
Speaker 2:So energy drinks, pre-workout, all that stuff is more of like a physical boost. You know you're, you get, you get ramped up, it gets you energized and like you're like ready to run through a brick wall kind of feeling right. Our supplement is is more tailored to get you in the zone, to really like get you focused in and feel like all right, let's get some shit done. And so the the big biggest differences are going to be like you're not going to get jitters, uh, where, like sometimes you'll, you'll drink an energy drink or anything like that and you'll start to get like the, the shakes right, um, you're just like two hopped, I'm all hopped up a Mountain Dew, right Stuff like that, um, and then, like you get an increased heart rate.
Speaker 2:Uh, so you know, you're, you're really getting like blood flow, you're you're gonna get out of breath easier, like, obviously, in my case, like I got altitude sickness because I just my body was not wanting to cooperate with me yeah, um, you're also gonna have a thermodynamic effect, uh, with the other the stuff that's in the other supplements, where you're going to sweat unnecessarily. Uh, so our supplement doesn't cause that. And then, um, the other thing is the crash. So, with energy drinks, all of that, when it goes away, it hits you right. Two to three hours after having an energy drink, you feel like you need another one. With our supplement, it just kind of goes away, it just wears, it's essentially wears off and you just like return to normal versus like feeling bad about yourself for one for one some more.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, and energy drinks leave you kind of like it's fiending, it's like you're kind of like a drug addict and you're like you need more, you need more to to feel better. You know, and I'll definitely say, like I've done, you know the pre-workouts energy drinks especially younger, not not anymore um, I hate the tingling feeling, I hate listen, I'm already about to do a workout. I know my heart rate is about to climb, but I shouldn't chug one down and be sitting there and my heart rate is already like up there, like it's just not, like that's not natural, that's, that's not. You know that's not good and you know you talked about and it's 100, right, yours offers 100 milligrams of caffeine, where the average for um energy drinks is 300. You know, which is incredibly insane, and I'm not a, like I said, I'm not a caffeine person that much. So like I'll drink caffeine. Like I'm a big tea person, so like I'll have, like obviously there's caffeine and tea person, so like I'll have, like obviously there's caffeine and tea and everything like that.
Speaker 1:You know, like, like a matcha or chai or something like that slow releasing, if you drink something like for myself, you drink an energy drink.
Speaker 1:That's just going to hit me even more than what it's going to hit somebody who drinks energy drinks every single day, where you know, I think also this, this product that you guys have made and you know the supplement is, can also reach people who's looking to get into like, all right, I don't want to do energy drinks, but I need a little bit of caffeine in my life to to also help me too.
Speaker 1:But also this is going to promote uh, you know, you know better brain function, you know your cognitive function and everything like that is just going to help you way more in every single way and also not leave you crashing, where, yeah, the crash might be, honestly, might be the worst part, because then you really don't want to do anything and you know it's. I know people drink, you know energy drinks in the morning. I'm like what is what is wrong with you? Because then you're going to need another one to just right to your day and we just started the day you know what I mean, what where this is, like you said, it's just gonna release you back down to to normal, and then you know it's.
Speaker 2:It's a good thing, you know, for hunting, for meetings, for for just so many different things in life where you're not going all the way down, where you need another, pick me up yeah absolutely so I guess, to go over some of the benefits, you nailed it Like focus, cognition, decision making, memory all of that stuff is going to be enhanced, like your ability to really like bear down and get stuff done.
Speaker 2:Or you know it's I wouldn't say it like it causes tunnel vision, because it obviously doesn't, but that's kind of the feeling that you get where you're like all right, you know, I'm looking down my sights and I'm I'm laser focused on what I'm trying to do, and so, especially like what you're talking about, where people drink in energy drinks in the morning a lot of us, you know, when we don't get enough sleep or whether we're working odd hours or things like that, uh have brain fog and so making decisions and, and you know, uh, trying to get stuff done is really difficult.
Speaker 2:When you feel like that this helps lift that right off, um, you're like all right now I feel like I can actually get things accomplished today, and so, like that's, I think one of the biggest things for most people is is that like groggy feeling that we all get Like when you just you don't sleep enough, or it's been a long week or whatever, especially like you know you're out hunting, whether it's like the middle of a November, right, and you're you're on day 10 and you're just like been sitting every morning, every night or even all day, and it's just like, man, I don't want to get up at 5.00 AM to you know, go get in my stand. And you're just, you know you're dragging it's, this is that thing that it'll. It'll put you over the edge to be able to make make the right choice. They'll put you over the edge to be able to make make the right choice.
Speaker 1:You know, if you don't he's going to walk by? Yeah, no, it's. It's funny. You say that Cause, like that's, that's the reality of it. And then, yet again, so many people are just waking up three o'clock in the morning, morning and just chugging down a freaking Red Bull or a monster and like, yet again, like I'm like we went out waterfowl hunting and listen, I love waterfowl hunting, don't get me wrong, but it's not, it's not the same thing as deer hunting. You got to get up early and stuff like that. But like I got guys sitting next to me that are just chugging red bull.
Speaker 1:I'm like what is wrong with you? Like what is going on where this is like all right, yet again, this is something that, like, if you take this, like the benefits just so outweigh, you know, any of the, the negatives that you can, even remotely, you know, get to when, as as I'm hearing, you know, as as we're talking, and the research that I've done on it and everything like that, like you know why hurt her, her bodies and hurt our ourselves and everything like that. When we can, we can just purely help ourselves, especially during. Hey, if you need that extra little whatever to to get yourself going, like energy drinks are not going to be, are not going to be, it, you know, especially for you know, a waterfowl like that, that's absolutely crazy, you know. But during deer season, like who? Who doesn't get that feeling?
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, um, run down, like you need a little something to help you and to focus, like how many times have I've you know you're, you're out hiking and everything like that? You're running, gunning and you know you get up and your energy levels do go down and then you, those are when that's a time when mistakes happen. You know, and with with this, you know, I I feel like it's going to help you maybe cut down on some of those mistakes that you know that's just so natural to so many people. Oh damn, like I knew I should have gotten out where, versus like, hey, you know I get up, boom, you know whether you drink this, right, when you get up, you know you're driving there. Whatever the case is, it is going to help like, all right, cool, now we got this focus and, like you said, you don't necessarily not tunnel vision, but it's like, all right, you have your goal in mind, the goal is in mind, let's let's get to that goal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a funny example of that. Um, so you could even still get up and get to the tree, stand Right, and we all have gone through this where we're sitting there and nothing's happening and nothing's happening and nothing's happening, and you just lose focus and you're like, ah, I'm just going to pull my phone out and you know that who knows how many missed opportunities that we've had because we've been staring down at our phone, right, whether that's he, you know most of the time he's not going to walk by in bow range with and we're not going to notice, but whether it's seeing him in order to make a move for tomorrow, or calling him in or anything like that. And the example that I have is that my buddy just showed me a video last weekend. He was 200 yards from another guy in a stand and not purposefully on public land, whatever. The other guy came in and climbed a tree like 200 yards from him, but he could see him from where he was at and probably like 130, 135 inch buck walked right behind his tree and he was buried in his phone and never even saw him probably at like 15 yards it was, and he he had. He showed me the video. He had a video of it. It was. It was almost unbelievable. If there wasn't a video I probably wouldn't have believed it, but it was just. Like you know, sometimes we just lose focus and and that's a and it could lead to a missed opportunity.
Speaker 2:And, to speak to the whole health thing that you were talking about too, the other benefit so the recommended dosage, or not dosage, but like mixture, so they come in single serving packets of powder that you mix with water, and the recommended water is like 16 to 32 ounces, and so I normally mix it in like a Nalgene. That's 32 ounces, and that really, I think, also helps, cause it's like you're hydrating yourself, right, um, you're also drinking 32 ounces of water, whereas, like other people, you know there's water and energy drinks, like okay, but it's first of all it's carbonated Um, and then you know you've got everything else that's in those, the um, all the chemicals and all that kind of stuff, and so for me it's like and then even coffee, right, so coffee is a diuretic and you drink that and it's just going to even dehydrate you more, um and it's. We don't have any like quote unquote hydration ingredients in ours, but the water is the hydration ingredient right.
Speaker 1:So I agree with that. And you know, yet again, you know coffee is another thing and I don't drink coffee. But I know so many people who they just love coffee. Like, by the time 10 o'clock meeting hits, or whatever you're doing, people are on their second, third or fourth cup of coffee. But then you don't want to have water either because you've already drank so much, so much coffee and everything like that. And yeah, people are like there's water and coffee. Yeah, we know that, but it still doesn't. You're not really reaping the benefit because you know, actual coffee really just dehydrates you. You know pulling.
Speaker 1:I work with kids, thank God I work with kids. I work with inpatient Thank God they don't drink coffee. But we have to do blood work a lot. You know what I mean. I couldn't imagine doing blood work on somebody who's already down two or three cups of coffee. I always recommend, like when we're doing blood work and I'm already having difficulty as it is getting a kid's vein or whatever you need to hydrate, you really need to hydrate. Go drink, you know, a couple cups of water. You know, go take a really hot, steamy shower, drink water and then come back to me. You know if, if, if we had a.
Speaker 1:You know, and that's yet again another reason why, when you go for your yearly checkup, they don't want you drinking anything. They and they definitely don't want you drinking coffee and stuff like that too as well. You know, I have to tell my grandmother all the time you know, she's um in her 80s and everything like that, and it's tough to get her to drink water she loves coffee and she just doesn't understand that coffee. No, you're actually dehydrating yourself. It's you're. You're not doing what you're you're supposed to doing. Okay, one cup of coffee, whatever I I'll be reasonable with people One cup, all right, make sure you're, though, still drinking at least a couple of cups of water.
Speaker 1:You know, like you said, you know we have these things. I I'm always downing, you know, at least 32 ounce, and then I fill it back up, and I'm constantly drinking water, water, water. Add now, you know, the stick and everything like that, and it's, you're getting your hydration. You know you're getting, you know, the cognitive function and all the other, and a little bit of that energy, with the 100 milligrams of of caffeine too, which is not super crazy amount enough to like. Okay, boom, it's going to peak you up and pep you up and everything like that, but you're not going to get that crazy and um crash and I don't know. Correct me if I didn't see there is. No. Is there any sugar in in the in your guys supplement at all?
Speaker 2:so it has sucralose, uh, for taste. Um, so I guess I can touch on that, the uh. So our flavor is liger's blood, is the name of it. Um, it's just tiger's blood, uh, but we change it to liger because of the lion's mane, and so it's a strawberry watermelon coconut, like a tropical flavor. Um, most people who know of tiger's blood, it's a strawberry watermelon coconut, like a tropical flavor. Most people who know of tiger's blood, it's because they eat it on a snow cone.
Speaker 2:Like. That's where I remember I first had it and I was like that I love this flavor. And so when we were deciding on flavors it was, we got a few different samples and this one they absolutely nailed it and it tastes so good and that's honestly, it's hard to speak to because obviously people can't just know what it tastes like. But yeah, the one of like the biggest selling points for us is when people try it. They're like oh my gosh, I never thought it would taste this good. Um, just because of mushrooms and people have tried other stuff, whether it's uh, like the mushroom coffee or whatever else um, different supplements in there it's uh, I'm not gonna name any brands, but like it doesn't taste as good as our stuff. Let's just say that.
Speaker 1:I love. I'm a big, I have a big sweet tooth, so like drinking stuff that doesn't have at least a little bit sugar in it. I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember the snow coat and everything like that. Yes, that's going to give back absolutely just iconic memories when I was growing up and everything like that. Yes, that's gonna give back absolutely just iconic memories of when I was growing up and everything like that.
Speaker 1:But but I always tell people, even a little bit of sugar is not, it's not a deal breaker. Yet again, you, the amount that you drink in soda, the amount you drink in these energy drinks, is a very, very alarming amount of sugar. But that is so like not okay. And yes, you know what. You do need a little bit of sugar. You're not going to be able to sell. You know something that just tastes like crap. I'm sorry. No one in this day and age was going to want something like you. Got to be a very big hardo to do that. I would probably do it. I would just like it would be tough where at least this is going to be a drink that you can put in and at least it's going to be. You're going to be able to enjoy it and everything like that, where it's not like every gulp is like oh my God, like no, this is not what I want to do.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I've been doing this type of stuff for like 20 years and I've been there right when it's just like this doesn't taste good, but I paid for it and so I'm going to drink it and that's too funny, like it's. So I don't know how much you know about, like Jocko Fuel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I haven't got it. I've looked into it because you, I'm I am a big like I do like listen to him and like david gog, I use a lot of the their stuff for motivation, but I've also looked into his stuff and everything like that. I'm just trying to. You know, I'd like to do a lot of research on this stuff. What's the best, what can I go with, and everything like that. Um, so I am, I am familiar with with that.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I don't know if you, the flag behind me is that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but. But so Jocko fuel actually had that that type of issue where they use so they use monk fruit extract to sweeten their stuff, which I would eventually like to do for ours as well. It's just a more natural type of sweetener. But their first release of the Jocko fuel, like flavors in the cans, was kind of that way where I think a lot of people were super excited about it and then they drank it and they were just like it's not, not there but and so they actually had to add more to, you know, satisfy the masses, uh, and their sweet tooth. So it's just, it's.
Speaker 1:That's a funny yeah that that would have been me because, yeah, I got like during the off season. It is, I'm healthy, like you know. I'm working out so much more. You know I'm active, eating correct, like I'm. I do intermediate fasting, like I love love to do intermediate fasting and everything like that. Like, and I drink a lot of water during the the season. All that goes out the window. The sugar comes back. Also, the holidays are coming up.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean so like it's just like a desserts are just getting put away. At that point I go to, you know, quick check too. I'm doing an all day hunt. I go to quick check, real quick. I want to get a sandwich and then like, you see the little Debbie's or you see like, and I'm like, all right, yeah, I'm going to go pick that up and I'm going to pick a bunch. And when you're out in the woods you're just downing, freaking desserts and everything like that. So I got a big sweet tooth. So I completely understand, but I, you know, it's another thing.
Speaker 1:When you're trying to, you know you're making a supplement, you're making a product. Whatever you're doing really in life, you know you look at our, our cereal and look at how bad everything is is for us, but like, unfortunately, people just don't want things that don't have that taste, don't want things that don't have that taste. You know, and if you're going to do something like that, you do have to please. You know your customers and everything like that. And you know, perfect example, you know what happened with jacko. And then you know the, you know, looking at at your guys, like that is something that's like, all right, cool, we're gonna add. You know this? Um tiger's blood into it and everything like that. Guys, yet again, if you don't know, it's not real tiger's blood. Um, just want to give you guys a heads up about that. It is not, but it does taste like it.
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding, I don't know?
Speaker 1:hey, listen, a non-hunter would 100 believe that we somehow went to wherever, killed the tiger and drank its blood.
Speaker 2:Like that would be so good, extracted it.
Speaker 1:Yep, exactly Right. You know PETA is going to clip that part, yes, but you know it gives that something like all right, cool. Now it's also like, especially if you're you're getting someone who's maybe like on the younger side, you know, or someone who's maybe like on the younger side, you know, or you know teens or whatever, it's easier for for people just get into this healthier habit if it does have that that good taste that people are looking at, you know, and I think that's a big part of people are dieting and stuff like that. Like why it's so hard is because stuff is just so bland and just you know, and if you don't have that discipline, you're not going to, you're not going to do it.
Speaker 2:Right, that's, that's the biggest. The biggest thing for sure is like most people don't have that discipline, right, it's that, like you said, that hard-o that just can do push through anything, that's not most people. And so, like, kind of on that note, the reason that we made this the way that we did with the stick packs and everything is for convenience and even like getting up and going to the woods. It's like if you've got a, you know you're probably already running late because you did, you know you hit snooze two or three times. You did, you know you hit snooze two or three times and now you got to stop at the gas station to get an energy drink and all right, all of that it just adds up and then you're getting in after a gray light and whatever.
Speaker 2:So, anyways, that's why we created the stick packs, so that you can just have it on you at all times. It's easy to just throw in a backpack, have a few in the car, just anywhere that you know that you find convenient or that you would use them. Um, there's obviously super light. It just it doesn't take up any space, it's easy to have around.
Speaker 1:I will a hundred percent and you know, for yet again, this is not going to be everyone, but but for a lot of our listeners and a lot of the people that we talk to, like you know, the sticks are just like I use liquid IVs. That's one of the ways that it helps me during the, you know, especially during the season or like when I'm doing crazy workouts and the electrolytes and everything like that. I don't want to sit there and go to a container and have to take the thing out and dump it like boom open, boom pour. You know I keep all my stuff in the truck, in my bag, like you said. You know I have. I have my med kits that I that I use for, you know, for hunting and everything like that. I keep stuff in there into my to-go bag. You know everything that everyday life. You know, whenever I go to we went to the zoo for, you know, a family I had I have stuff in, you know it's.
Speaker 1:You just never know, but it's so much easier carrying a stick than it is. You know just having. You know the, the regular jugs and everything like that and have to scooping everything. But also you're getting the the proper amount to with the stick. You know, right, you know you don't have to worry about oh, do I need to put more in? Do I have to do it up? Boom, you get the stick.
Speaker 1:Boom, you know, quick, easy, boom, especially for someone who's on the go. Where you're, you're out in the woods and stuff like that, and you know hiking up a big mountain, wherever the hell you are, and you know, you just take it out of of your day, out of your hunt, out of maybe you have to go, you're in business meeting or or running around with the kids. You know, I, I imagine, for you know, I imagine you know all the, all the parents out there. They're like, yeah, you know, running around the kids, they got sports here, they got to go do this. Boom, boom, boom. You take one of these, you know, and it's, it's just going to get you into that zone and just like, all right, cool.
Speaker 2:Let's, let's get this done, let's, let's get on with the day and you know, hit up your everyday life that you got going on. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I mean I like even going out West and you know, packing like a five or so day pack, like throwing five of those just for one a day into a backpack, like takes up zero space, it takes up. I mean they're uh, let me look, I think they're like eight ounces or sorry, not not eight ounces, eight grams, so 0.29 ounces. So you know they, they, they weighed nothing. Um, it's just a a little bit of powder and um, but no more. Specifically, to speak to what you said of the proper dosage, like we all know those random, uh like proteins and pre-workouts, where it's like a heaping. The proper dose is a heaping scoop.
Speaker 1:It's like what does that even mean?
Speaker 2:So, unless you're like my wife, who will look at the serving size in grams and then scoop it out and put it on a scale and then put it in, yeah, you know, unless you're doing that type of stuff, you're probably not doing the proper dosage, and so it's. It's again easy, convenient, it's all there. I'm just ready to go for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, and that's very specific. But there are people that I just, you know most people just don't have the time to do that. I love that. She's she's committed to doing it that way, so real quick, when, when we go back and you know when you're starting this and you know, I know you know the big stories you chug the bang and you know you climb them out and you got altitude sickness. You know from when you guys just decided to just start this and everything. You know what were some of the trials and errors that you guys, you know, had to deal with. You know when you decided to start this adventure.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I guess, first and foremost, the biggest one was we actually wanted to start with freeze dried meals and do those first because, again, with me being in nutrition and all of that, I felt like what was out there wasn't helping people, helping fuel people, the proper way for hunts, like that, and so that was the kind of the change. Again, I was trying to help the hunting community. That ended up being a giant hurdle that it was 2020. There was a lot of like supply shortages and all of this different stuff that like really was, it just wasn't going to happen. So we kind of pivoted and I was like, okay, well, what if we did a supplement instead? It still has the same type of effect, um, that helps people get through, you know, again like preventing, like the altitude sickness and all of that stuff that I ran into, just in a different way. It again, it still aligns with our mission of creating a more capable outdoors community, just in another aspect, outdoors community, just in another aspect. And so the the biggest thing back then was just finding the right dosages of of each ingredient. Um, and I guess, to speak to that real quick, like you're, what we have in our supplement is you're rarely going to find them in these dosages, let alone altogether. So, like if you were to go buy a lion's mane supplement or go buy a ashwagandha supplement, like, yeah, you could take as enough as you needed, but in a serving size you're not going to get the same amount that you're getting in our sticks, and obviously there's there is such thing as too much. Like it's not going to hurt you, but you're essentially wasting it.
Speaker 2:At that point, and we kind of we found what the effective dose that we liked for ourselves and that's what we decided to go with. And so that was a big thing was just deciding on what we wanted in it. A big thing was just deciding on what we wanted in it. And so we looked at supplements that we had used and, uh, had success with, and that we liked the effects of, and and really built a comprehensive list. I mean, it is like a, a very detailed. There's a lot of ingredients, but they're all for specific purposes. And once we got that nailed down, it was finding a manufacturer that could make it for us. That was another big hurdle. Again, this is all just like building a business type of stuff, right? Yeah, so we found a manufacturer, which I think is actually in New Jersey oh really, it's, it's maker's nutrition, I don't, I honestly can't remember. That was three or four years ago at this point, um, but so we found them, we got them, uh to you know, produce.
Speaker 2:Um, we obviously had to build the brand, so everything that goes into building a brand, uh from like logos and uh like we obviously have core values, but we had to write them down. We had to go through all of these different things to decide who we were as a company and what, how we wanted to move forward and how we wanted to brand ourselves and then build a following, like that's another huge hurdle when nobody knows about your stuff, nobody's gonna buy your stuff, right? And so you have to let people know and get a following and get people on board. But first and foremost you have to have a good product. So we decided on, like the tiger camo, uh, for the sticks, um, just to to give it like a cool look of you know again like it's tiger camo, and then also like a a little I like I don't want to say a throwback, but a shout out to like the Vietnam era military. We both like that kind of stuff. So, anyways, it was all of those decisions Like it doesn't seem like, oh, yeah, it's, that you know it's easy to do, but like when you pile all of that stuff together, it's just like a whole process of building.
Speaker 2:That it's, it's very.
Speaker 2:I wish I would have had this supplement, like in order to do all these steps first, um, to create it, uh, so that you know, like working on the business, um, but anyways, yeah, so like once we actually got everything designed and got it manufactured and got the product in our hands, it was just getting it out there, um, and and it's I mean, it still is like I obviously wouldn't call us like super successful at all.
Speaker 2:Um, we're, we're really like still new, like it's been two years but we're still fighting, fighting, all right, um, and we just want to let people know about ourself, like that we're trying to help people, um, we're trying to create again like a better, healthier community that is really gonna thrive and that obviously we can't produce success for people Like they've got to put in the work to be able to do that. But our sub, the goal of our supplement, is to help people accomplish that, and I think that for us, like one of the biggest or one of our other values is leadership and leading by example, and so if anybody follows me or has followed me or wants to follow me, like that's what I put out there, whether it's working out, um, scouting, like doing all of the necessary things to lead to success, is you know the work that I'm putting in so that other people can look at that and hopefully be motivated to do it themselves?
Speaker 1:No, I, I love it. And you know we, we're we're looking in right now. You know I'm on your guys' Instagram page and I have the website up. It is something that when, for everyone who doesn't know when you're, when you're starting, who doesn't know when you're when you're starting something like this, when you're you're creating stuff, how important is it? You need to create something that's going to catch somebody's eye. You know when you know we, we do the trade, you know we do the shows and everything like that. You know I tell my, my fiance, she, she heads up. You know kind of you know making sure all these events are going well. And you know I tell my, my fiance, she, she heads up. You know kind of you know making sure all these events are going well and you know organizing and all these things, because she does very well at that. It's like what is going to catch somebody's eye walking, walking by? I don't know are you? Have you guys gotten into stores yet?
Speaker 2:uh, we have a few different locations that like are, have like put it up on shelves in their stores, but I wouldn't say we're like in stores, you know the box.
Speaker 1:I mean, first of all, the logo. Let's talk about the logo, love the logo. You know it's, it's simple, but it's also like it catches people's. It's going to catch people's attention. Can I, can I give a shout out?
Speaker 2:for that real quick. Yeah, yes, go ahead. So Jonathan Griswold is the one that actually designed that, and he works for now for Black Rifle Coffee and does all of their bag designs, and so, yeah, this was back when he was freelancing still, and before they hired him on, and so he did it. I absolutely agree. He did a fantastic job with our logo. I absolutely love it. Wolves have always been something that's very near and dear to my heart. Honestly, I don't know why. I just picked it up when I was young, and so it was very important for me to have that incorporated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, then even the name you know timber will supply, you know company, that it's yet again, that's, that's a name that is going to catch. And then then you have it says ranger on it, like for somebody who say outside, if I, if I was just a rip, like, okay, what the name? Who doesn't love the name Ranger? That could be so many things, from from the military to a lot of people have their pets Like like. It just could mean so much like okay, what is this actually? And then I love it. It does say like Liger's blood on it. You know it's the. It's like okay, that's another thing for for somebody who either knows what Liger's blood is or doesn't.
Speaker 2:It's like like these are all things that catch people's eye. So can I speak? Can I speak to the ranger real quick? Yep, uh, yeah, so that was it. It obviously I think most people like they jump first to like a ranger, like an army ranger, which is obviously a high class, like you have to put in some damn work to get to to get that tab Right and, uh, or the scroll, the tab.
Speaker 2:The tab and the scroll are different. I can't speak to it. I was never, uh in the military. Um, I am in law enforcement.
Speaker 2:It's a whole different role, but, anyways, like it means something still to in that realm, um, but the real reason that we chose it is that it's a so in lord of the rings, eric, oh yeah, oh, it's a ranger, I love it and, and so that was kind of our like uh, easter egg of a oven for the name. But, more importantly, it's it's just somebody who ranges right, it's somebody who explores, who is just out, like I wouldn't call them, like I'm trying to think of the best way to explain it, um, cause I don't think I've actually broken it down before for people, uh, but it's, it's what we do as hunters, it's it's scouting, it's exploring, it's, you know, tracking, like woodsmanship, it's all of the comprehensive things that we take on as uh outdoorsmen that are important to us. It kind of all wrapped up into one one name, and that's why we chose that I, I, I love that you brought up lord of the rings, one of my favorites.
Speaker 1:I love all the lord of the ring movie and you know, and that's kind of like it's exactly what we are. Yes, everyone thinks of the military and I 100% agree Most people who say Rangers, that's what I think of, right, but it's exactly what we are too as well. I mean, look at what we get to do and it really goes back to you know, I always get reminded of Lord of the Rings too, because look at exactly what you know, what, what he did and everything like that. And you know, in our ways that's, that's exactly like what we're doing Whenever we go out to the woods, like I get that feeling especially you know, we, you got the bow. We don't have the sword but we have the bow and everything like that. Some people will have a gun and it just depends on what.
Speaker 1:And you're out in the mountains, you're out in. You know you could be swamps, you could be out in cornfields. There's so much that you can do, but you're exploring, we're getting, you know, boots on the ground, we're heading out. You know we're scouting. You know, especially during hunting, you have to be stealthy, you have to play so many different things. You're playing the wind, the thermals, you know you're spot and stalking just depends on what you're doing, but it doesn't get more complete than that. You're not more of a, you're a ranger than than what people really think you are, and you know it's I. I love that too. You know I really do that. That that's, that's pretty cool, you know that's why I wanted to speak to it?
Speaker 2:because I think a lot of people don't understand quite how much I'm very one of, or very much one of, those people that likes a lot of nuance and and so it's. I don't do anything, not for a reason, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I absolutely love it. We're getting close to that hour mark, so I want to get in a few more things before I let you go here, and everything like that. What do you guys see yourselves in the next five years? Is there anything new that you want to do? Obviously, continue pushing this and everything like that. What is the five-year plan for you guys over there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think what the next step for us is going to be adding some more flavors. Uh, we, we have some ideas, we had some that we tried out that needed some tweaking, and stuff like that. I do eventually want to get into the freeze dried meals. Uh, it's just, it's going to be a bigger step, and so I think that we need some more uh, success with this product first to in, in order to be able to take that uh next step towards that. And and that was kind of the the reason that we named it Tim timberwolf supply company is that we eventually want to have of, you know, a full lineup of of stuff to be able to again create a more capable outdoor community. So that's going to be like ranger, that would be, uh, you know, a performance supplement, and then you've got food that we want to be also performance nutrition, like that sort of thing, and then you could, you know, keep going on as far as like supplying the hunter with what they need to to perform, and so I think that the next five years is is going to be taking steps towards that. So it's it's really just trying to continue to build the brand uh and build an audience. That for us right now. That's again like going back to it. If he, if people don't know about your stuff, they're not going to buy yourself and and so we're just trying to spread the word of what, what we have to offer and how it helps people.
Speaker 2:You know, whatever it is that you're doing, the one of my favorite I don't know what you want to call him he's not a celebrity, he's my business coaches, rob Bailey, and they created a on the different supplement. It was called onward and the tagline for that was whatever your work may be, and that's kind of like that kind of idea is is what I want this to also have. Like Ranger, it can be. Whatever it is that you're doing. It's going to help. It's not specifically a pre-workout, but you could use it as one. Going to help. It's not specifically a pre-workout, but you could use it as one. It's not an energy drink, but you could use it as one. It's not coffee, but you could use it in the morning to wake up Like. It has so many different options for use that that's really like I want people to understand that, that it's not just like a hunting supplement.
Speaker 1:Now quick question. So on another. You know somebody has, you know, wants to try this out. You know what is your best like, when's the best time of the day. Do you think to use this? I know, obviously everyone's days are different scheduled, you know.
Speaker 2:But but you know, have you seen an optimum time, you know, to kind of use this uh supplement? Yeah, I, I mean again, you're right, it does depend kind of on schedule, but I think you could use it in the more like drinking it in the morning does help just lift that grogginess, that fog, uh, that a lot of people feel that prevents them from getting that early morning work done, or like when you just don't feel like getting to the stand or you know whatever it is. But I did want to speak to that because a lot of people are worried about, like, if I take this for an evening hunt, like am I going to be able to sleep tonight? And really I think that all comes down to, like your personal tolerance for caffeine. That's all it is Most people.
Speaker 2:We're a caffeine addicted society and so most people, a hundred milligrams really isn't a ton. It's not going to touch you in the way that, like somebody who doesn't normally drink caffeine would, and so if you are not caffeine sensitive, I've had people take it as late as like six, seven, eight o'clock and go to bed at 11, and it doesn't you know, it's not affecting your sleep at all to where. The next morning you wake up and you're like yeah, or you can't sleep or anything like that it's. And I, we have found too that, like our REM sleep has been better. When we take this like okay, uh, continuously, just like as far as getting into that like deeper sleep and having like dreams and doing all of that like it's, you sleep harder, I guess, if that makes sense, very, very interesting.
Speaker 1:That's good. I mean, I track all all my stuff and everything like that. I track my sleep. So, uh, I'm pretty interested to to also see that and everything like that. And you know, see how it affects me. Like I'm going to be someone who takes it earlier in the day.
Speaker 1:I'll never forget, I told you I love to drink tea and everything like that. And at the time I was drinking this was like three or four years ago I was just got introduced to matcha, you know, and I had no idea about matcha, I just knew it was green and was like what the hell? And it's tea, right? And I'll never forget, like I was about to leave work and I think it was like seven or eight o'clock at at night and somebody one of my co-workers had ordered me, you know, a large matcha and I was about to leave and I was like oh crap, like all right, like thanks for ordering it, but like I'm about to go, it's nighttime but let me just just down it down. So I chugged the whole entire thing, went home, yada, yada, did whatever, laying in bed trying to go to sleep, but like my eyes are just wide awake and I'm like what the hell's going on? Like I can't fall asleep.
Speaker 1:And you know my fiance, she goes, what, what's going on? I was like yeah, like I don't know I can't fall asleep. She goes what would you drink or eat tonight? I go, yeah, like that. And then I was like yeah, but then you know I also had, you know, a large matcha. And she goes, are you serious? I go, no, like yeah, yeah, like this is what I had, like what's this? She goes, do you know how much caffeine is actually in my? And it's also like a, a slow release caffeine. So like it, just, like slowly, just, and I was wide awake just staring at the, at the ceiling and everything like that, and I was like, oh, like, okay, so that's only a, a morning time thing until I get used to it. You know, I definitely would try it. For, you know, evening hunting, especially like from work, if you're somebody who's working all day, and then you know you got time to get out in the evening and everything like that. Like it is going to be not 100, 100 milligrams.
Speaker 1:This society right now is obsessed with, with caffeine, which it studies you show a little bit of caffeine is is very healthy for you. Too much caffeine. Caffeine is not, you know, and this is this has, like that, that perfect balance and everything like that. So very interested to see about the REM sleep and everything like that, and you know overall just what it has. You know, for the people that are who don't know, you know, are still a little on the fence about, you know, trying products that have mushrooms in it and everything like that, and obviously they're extremely healthy. They're, they're used a lot more than I think people tend to seem. But what you know kind of like give I guess you know a little rundown on on that for somebody who's maybe on that on that nervous side to to try something like this yeah, uh, first I wanted to speak to the the whole, like the slow release thing.
Speaker 2:So mixing it with 32 ounces of water kind of only allows you to drink so much at a time anyways. So it is almost like a slow release, depending on how fast you drink it, perfect, um. And so I mean we've, I've put it in like a 12 ounce water bottle and just chugged it, and then I've also drank it in, you know, uh, probably more than 32, it's probably like 40 or 45 ounces and you know it's. The effects aren't necessarily that different. It's just like the concentration of how it tastes and how fast you drink it and then how fast you have to pee afterwards, right, but no, just to speak to the mushroom side of it, like that's always the reaction we get, right Is like that they think it's psilocybin and like they're micro dosing psilocybin or something, and it's like that's no, those are different mushrooms. I'm not legally allowed to put that in a supplement. Like that's not how that works.
Speaker 2:No, these are legitimate mushrooms that again, have been used for thousands of years in medicine, and and now we're using them to try and enhance our daily lives, and a lot of people will buy them again separately, in capsules, whether it's the ashwagandha or the lion's mane or the cordyceps, and I guess, to speak to that one too, I don't know how many people have watched the Last of Us, but we're very excited for that to start soon. Right. Yeah, I am too. We're very excited for that to start soon, right?
Speaker 2:yeah I am too, uh, so that that's the other one we get. Is as people think. Is this going to turn me into one of those things?
Speaker 1:um, that's not quite how things work. I've been asked that question doing, oh, I think my fish, like, is this possible? I go at that type of level? No right, there have been like with certain insects you you do hear of like you know, but I go, you gotta, this is a complete. To do it to a human body on that type of level, it's unheard of and scientists do believe it's never going to happen. It's a tv show, it's a great, it was a great video game they're making into a great tv show. You know, this is not going to taking. Something like that is not going to turn you into a, a fungi killing, um zombie basically right, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:Uh, some of the questions we get are pretty funny, so I guess anyone that's on the fence, I guess, to answer your question, there's nothing to necessarily be afraid of. Like I said, the dosages are clinically proven at the dosages that they're at for a reason, like we didn't just pick them willy nilly, you know, or like say, oh yes, more is better, we picked the dosages that we did for a specific purpose, because you know it's research backed and all of that sort of thing. Purpose, because you know it's research backed and all of that sort of thing, and you're gonna get, with the combination of everything, the results that you're looking for for sure love it, love it um.
Speaker 1:One more, two more, three more. Two quick, quick ones, though. Um, you know we we've asked this every every for the last five years on the garden, stay outdoors and podcast. It's one of my favorite questions asked and it's it's kind of become this huge thing. You know, if you money was not a thing, you had two weeks, what. What is your dream animal to go hunt?
Speaker 2:that's a great question, because I I was thinking about this because I've worked a couple trade shows over the last weeks and I've seen some some serious guided hunts being same here, and money would definitely have to not be a factor. Um, man, I think I think like uh the I don't, I think some of like the uh the hunts that I've seen, like cam haynes do with the, the elk on like the indian reservations and stuff, I I just I still am like fascinated with elk hunting and and I love it and I think that the experience is just so cool. But also like being uh, like airplaned in on like a um a seaplane or whatever they're called, um into like rural, like super remote Alaska or super remote Canada or something like that, to either hunt bear or or moose. I think that would be an experience that would be just unlike any other. So it would definitely be that just something like super remote, something that you, you know other people have may not never have walked on this land type of a thing I 100 agree with you.
Speaker 1:Everyone knows mine is it's moose, there's there's no alaskan, you know, and and I and I always tell people I always like, don't get me wrong like I I want to hunt elk somewhere and I I have a feeling I will, like I think that one's way more achievable. Um, then, first of all, the money aspect of going to alaska and but you know, then it's like you, you have to just train like crazy it's. You know me, I'm not the best at flying, so like I would have to fly, I think, all the way to california, then fly to, and then you have to get on a little plane, like there's so much that goes into it. You know you have to pack, you know a certain amount of stuff for two weeks but you can't over pack and and things like that, where I think alaska is just such a difficult hunt and to plan and to pay for and everything like that. Um, we're versus. You know colorado you hear a lot more people going to colorado, to utah, to new mexico, to hunt, you know, um, elk and everything like that and that that's always going to be my thing like, even if it wasn't a moose hunt, like a grizzly hunt, like I've seen kit, yeah, the cam hayes uh episode where he was out um hunting grizzlies and they he shot that giant grizzly and you know they're a little worried and and everything like that. And just like I, I was freaking out just sitting here watching. I was like my heart rate, just, you know, started rising and like that, that right there. And then like, listen, at that day, if something happens you are totally screwed because you are in no man's land. Very few, if any, have encountered that animal. You know, have walked where, where you have walked, and everything like that. So I, I 100 agree with you right there.
Speaker 1:Um, our show, you know, chase the unknown, it all started with you know we, we developed this catchphrase. Know, chase the unknown, it all started with you. Know we, we developed this catchphrase. You know, chase the unknown. What does chase the unknown mean to us? Everything like that. You know, you hear that. You know what. What would chase the unknown mean to you?
Speaker 2:Uh, being being a ranger. Being a ranger, I mean that was the goal of kind of going out west for me was exploring places that I've never been, that are unfamiliar to me, and essentially having new experiences it's. I mean, being out West in the mountains is like a whole, a whole different animal. Um, you, you realize how vast things are and in the terrain and all of that, just it changes your perspective on things for sure. And so kind of the that idea of like always searching for that next ridge or like trying to go over that next ridge, uh, to find out what's on the other side, that that sort of mentality of being a ranger in that aspect of like just looking to explore, just to find out what's out there, that that sort of mentality I think is is what that would mean to me I love it, you know, and that's completely accurate.
Speaker 1:And I, yet again, I, I just I love the, the whole the ranger thing. You know, I love where it came from and you know and things like that, and it's it's 100 true. You know, I always tell people, like, what we do, there's just, I mean, there's just so much unknown, you know, and as much as you may think you know, when we get out there into the woods and everything like that, we really don't know. You know, and it's so exciting. But my one thing, you know, I always like, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go a couple what's, what's beyond that? You know that wood line, what's? And I get there and I'm like I see something else. I'm like, okay, well, yeah, what is a what's past that ridge? Like, all right, now I'm gonna hit the ridge and like you're always pushing yourself to to find more, you know, to to explore more and everything like that. And then you know, I, I love. You know, you said that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the uh, that mentality, even like, and then when you don't go to that next Ridge and you decide to turn around and go home, you're it's always in your mind, right, like what was over there, what did I miss? Like it's. It's a crazy feeling, but I think that that sums it up pretty well. I like it.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's kind of like where I first heard of it. You know, through the military, you know people having, you know TBI or hockey guys having CT, and I think we talked about this on the phone that, like you know one of the guys, um, I mean he was a mess so and I when I mean a mess just like and it was so unfortunate he dealt with so many concussions and and all these you know, uh, traumatic injuries to his brain and everything like that and he he's a big component to um doing stuff like that. You know using mushrooms in a in a positive way and you know for his cognitive function and everything like that. You know using mushrooms in a in a positive way and you know for his cognitive function and everything like that, and it's helped with the anxiety, depression and everything like that. So, big part of where, where I got picked this up a couple of years ago on the map and everything like that of you know my interest, so and it's something that you know I even I'm a hockey player and I, you know I know I've developed some some issues and everything like that and you know really looking forward to to using this, like I said, so I love the, you know, love that and yeah, like I said, anyone who has any questions, I mean, yes, definitely feel free, I will tell you.
Speaker 1:You know I DM him. He sent me his number and we talked on on the phone, I think like a couple days later and everything like that. You know we've text here and there and you know now he's on the show he's very, you know, very approachable. You know great, great guy. You know had a hell of a conversation. You know I hope everyone enjoyed this episode. You know, and we definitely look forward looking forward to you know if getting you on again and you know, uh, talking, uh talking, maybe some, some more about hunting. You know we we didn't get to get to the whole hunting aspect, but you know, you know talking to you a little further about hunting and some of your ventures out West and everything like that. Um, you know we're, we would definitely look forward to to that, but you know we appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Thank you very much for having me.
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