Chase The Unknown Podcast
Welcome to the Chase The Unknown Podcast, brought to you by the Boondocks Hunting Podcast family! This show is all about embracing the pure joy, excitement, and rush that comes from not knowing what lies just around the bend. To us, Chase The Unknown means the thrill of stepping into the wild with no guarantees—whether it’s locking eyes with a 200-inch whitetail, crossing paths with a 500-lb black bear, hearing the thunderous gobble of a turkey, or simply witnessing the beauty and unpredictability of nature. It’s about the anticipation, the adventure, and the stories that follow.
But what does Chase The Unknown mean to you? Is it the adrenaline of the hunt, the connection to nature, or the pursuit of something greater than yourself? Join us as we explore those questions, share incredible stories, and celebrate the thrill of the hunt—where the outcome is always unknown but the journey is unforgettable.
Let’s chase it together—one adventure at a time!
Chase The Unknown Podcast
The Round Table Segment: The Hunting Mindset: Preparation, Gear, and Wind Strategy
We dive deep into hunting essentials with a roundtable discussion featuring experienced hunters sharing their must-have gear, superstitions, and strategies for success in the field.
• Personal hunting superstitions range from finding turkey feathers to playing solitaire to transition from daily life to "hunting mode"
• The importance of quality boots, extra releases, and weather monitoring tools emerges as top equipment recommendations
• Knowledge of deer biology and behavior trumps any single piece of gear for hunting success
• Debate over wind strategy reveals different approaches - some avoid hunting on bad wind days while others believe consistency creates familiarity
• Scent control products from companies like Rack Getter and Scent Assassin receive unanimous endorsement
• Public land hunting encounters require careful navigation and sometimes strategic retreat
• Personal stories reveal territorial conflicts that can occur despite following regulations
• Experienced hunters emphasize practicing with equipment in realistic field conditions
• Using technology like OnX Maps and Hunt Stand proves valuable for understanding property and planning hunts
• The roundtable agrees the thrill comes from preparation meeting opportunity in the field
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Every hunter has a moment when the woods go quiet, the air shifts and time slows down and in that stillness you realize you're not chasing the game, you're chasing something bigger. Welcome to the Chase the Unknown podcast, where we go beyond the saddle, past the trail cameras and deep into the stories that fuel the fire. The show is for the ones who lose sleep over the rut, who hike miles into the public land for just a chance and who live for that silence before the shot. From the back country to the back roads. We sit down with hunters and trappers with the relentless stories, who live for the thrill, embrace the unknown and return with the stories we're telling. This is more than a podcast. This is the start of something real. Let's chase it, boys, boys, boys.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to the chase the unknown. We are bringing you guys the roundtable segment. We got our guy brian from marsh boys. We got your guy the squat from both boondocks hunting and whitetail advantage. We got some guy named Brett. I don't even know who he is. I think he like runs some podcast. I don't even know squash. Who is this guy? Why'd you invite him?
Speaker 2:well, it's pride month so we just thought we'd have Brett on in honor of that whole coalition of hosts that venture out. So you guys are an inclusive show, that whole coalition of hosts that venture out you guys are an inclusive show.
Speaker 1:Well, brett, I'm very excited to have you here during your month. I know getting you on the schedule is pretty hard. I'm pretty sure you were in PA yesterday at the Gay Pride Parade and you made it all the way back home. So, welcome back, thank you. Yeah, it's my special month, it's my favorite month, and you know you. You made it all the way back home, so, uh, welcome, welcome back.
Speaker 3:Thank you, yeah, it's, it's my special month, it's my favorite month. I'm constantly traveling across the country, um, spreading the word and uh, making sure everyone's understanding and accepting, and uh, yeah, I I took some time out of my busy schedule for this month to come on your show and looking forward to it talking about whatever you want to talk about.
Speaker 1:I'm open I love it. I love it. Well, guys, we're gonna jump right into this. You know, I I love doing the round table segment. We got some good questions that we're gonna be discussing, discussing and everything like that, so why don't we jump right into it? I I mean, you know we're going to start off real simple, you know, with segment one Like what is your must-have gear? You know, what's the one thing that you never leave the truck without?
Speaker 3:Besides your bow.
Speaker 1:Besides the bow, like not the most common freaking thing. Like you know, I always, obviously, always, obviously, like I carry multiple knives, but like I always got to carry, uh, you know, a specific knife like in my, uh, in my pocket no, yeah, I understand I was gonna say, you know, differing a little bit from you guys, as a waterfowl hunter, it's my floating gun case.
Speaker 4:I mean, that means the world to me, okay, whether you're in a boat, you're in a marsh, you're in a rainy field, like there's nothing I hate more than getting home and having to clean a rusted gun.
Speaker 1:That's true? Yeah, that's. It is a pain in the butt Cleaning a rusted gun. I definitely know no one likes doing that, especially after like a long day and everything Like. The last thing you want to do is to do is start cleaning and everything like that.
Speaker 3:I think for me, the thing that I had to carry it's kind of like my superstition in some way. If I don't, when I'm walking out to my stand on opening day, if I don't find a turkey feather there or on my way back, I'm done with the hunt. I have a superstition. I just feel like that season is going to suck. And if I don't, and if I do end up finding one later on, I got to carry that with me the entire time. I got to put it like in the back, because I have like a button back on my hat I put it back there and I'm. I'm carrying that when I'm walking out to my stand and that's just part of what I do is just my weird little superstition. If I don't find it, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think mine is. Uh, I always make sure that I have an extra release, you know, on on hand, just in case, um, you know a lighter, in case I'm up in the mountains and stuff. I can start a fire if I have to. And you know the good word. The good word doesn't hurt guys. I always keep a Bible or my Bible app on me, you know. It helps pass the time when you're sitting there waiting for that buck to come in and keeps you educated.
Speaker 1:Now I was going to ask that. So obviously you do some reading and everything. Anybody else here do some reading, especially on those really long sits where you're gonna be all day, like I bring books and like I'll bring a book or something like that, or I'll have something like on my phone that I'll I'll read. Or you know I'm big podcast guy. You know I listen to a lot of podcasts while I'm hunting. Anybody do something like that. I know squash. You know he'll bring the Bible and everything like that. Either you two bring anything like that on those all-day sets.
Speaker 4:I mean, I have the Bible app on my phone and I've never taken my Bible out in the woods with me. I actually just got into reading this year thanks to my fiance, so I'm sure this coming season I'll probably have a book in the stand with me. Um, but yeah, I, I'm more or less I'm a podcast guy. I got one airpod in and then that's what I do yeah, yeah, cool I have it on my phone, but I used to what I generally do.
Speaker 3:I just can't read because my mind's constantly thinking about different scenarios when I'm out there in the field. One thing that I got to do to as soon as I get my stand I got to play a good game of solitary on my phone. It's my little weird way of all right, I'm packed up, ready to start the hunt. I got to pull my phone out and play solitary because it turns my mind off from work and in like real life that I'm in and it starts focusing my brain of right, I gotta move the car here here here. All right, lost whatever game over, I'm done, all right. Now I'm out in the woods and kind of like my weird switch of on and off type deal that's an interesting one.
Speaker 1:That's, that's a really interesting one. Like just how, like the first thing you do is you're you're playing game of solitaire. Like after I get set up, that's definitely not the first thing I'm doing. I'm usually taking notes, like I do a lot of note taking, um, just how my hunch. So, like I like to start off like I'll look at the weather app and everything like that, and I'll, I'll, I'll go start putting you know where I'm in, you know the date, the time I got in the location, um, and then I'll start. You know the temperature, you know the pressure and everything like that. So I have to get all that done, um, before like I I do anything else, because once the deer start moving or doesn't matter, just deer fox, whatever it is like I'm recording everything, that I'm taking, the time and which direction, everything like that. So I kind of want to have all that stuff done before I I start to do anything else. So you know, playing the game, though that's, that's pretty good, like that's a pretty good superstition, that's it interesting one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've already done that stuff that you've already done. My like that thing. When I get on my stand like all right, today was such and such a day, it was this weather and the wind was coming from here and I'm gonna be hunting in this stand. And then, once I got all that done, then I start walking out to my stand. Then once I get everything packed up, I'm already ready to go and then I'm playing solitary and then I started making mental notes. After that, once I started getting my brain to switch over yeah, I don't know, I started that four to five years ago and it just helped me I said turn that switch off from real life into hunting mode.
Speaker 2:One thing I think we we just hit on all of us, but we we didn't really hit on it was our phones. We don't leave without our phones. We make sure we get our phones and you know what more that we all check in on each other while we're out. You know, hey, did you see anything yet? Hey, what's going on? Any action? Hey, what's the weather like over there? You know it's still dark 30 and I'm up here in the stand. Or you know it's still dark 30 and I'm up here in the stand I'm taking pictures and like sending them to. You know, you guys in the group and everything else and whatever. And you know we all touch base. So I think that's a good thing to add to that list. Like you know, we all count on our phones. I mean especially using Onyx and stuff or whatever you guys tend to use. You know. But you know marking waypoints If you're walking out you're finding scrape lines or you're you're just posting stuff. You know, like you're you're writing down notes. This could be a good area to set up a blind or a stand site or little things. So I think I think you know as much as I hate the phone, I don't want to be attached to a phone.
Speaker 2:It's also kind of like a damn necessity when you get out there, because you know, especially it's opening day, I mean we're all pumped up, we're all hoping each other knocks that big buck down or gets that big bear, that turkey. And you know, we're just so anxious for each other. I mean, gosh, I know Frank and I have either one of us has been at work and it's like bro, what's going on? What have you got? Yeah, you know, know, tell me, you knocked one down already. It's not nothing yet, you know. And you, it's nice to be able to reach out and touch base, because years ago we didn't have that, we didn't have that at all. So you know it's.
Speaker 2:I think it's a not necessarily a necessity, but it's a thing that helps you kind of get through those long sits, through that day, you know, and it makes time go by and I think when you've got an idle mind it kind of goes back to that built-in energy, the anxiousness. Maybe it helps us calm down so the deer actually will come in closer, and that's. That's another reason why I just read. When I read the bible, I'm very at peace, I'm relaxed. And I'll tell you nine times out of ten. I start reading that deer show up, so it's, it's pretty cool yeah, no, I'll agree with that too.
Speaker 1:And you know one more thing that I don't know how I forgot this I'm a big hat guy.
Speaker 1:So in my truck you'll see when, especially during hunting season, I have all my killing hats lined up like on the dashboard of my truck, like I got my waterfall hat, I got, you know, multiple deer hats that I run and I'll rotate like whatever is giving me the juice and I feel like confident with that's, that's the hat and if I kill something with it, that's going to be the hat for like the next week or so that I'm going to be taken with me out into the woods and everything like that, until until I feel like the juice runs out in that hat and then I'm like, all right, it's time to pick up a new hat and I'll, I'll pick up a new hat.
Speaker 1:But, um, yeah, I got a. I got a bunch of killing hats right on, right on the uh, right in my truck and I got like seven, I think, hats in my truck. I'm not when I got issues when it comes to uh, to hats and everything like that, so that that's one of my gear that I can't leave, but also one of the superstitions.
Speaker 3:That that I'm running to it as well I had a feeling you liked hats with your wall right there. Yeah, and that's only like yeah that's not even most of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, yeah, literally, um, you know. One more, you know on the gear topic, where you know, right there, um, you know, anybody got like some an old, reliable versus new tech gear. You know what's something that stood the test of time I'll start out my my 35 marlin.
Speaker 2:I love my 35 marlin. I've hunted with that. For you guys that aren't familiar out there, if you're listening, uh, 35 marlin was made, uh, years and years ago, back in the 40s. It's a lever action short action carbine rifle. It's made by a company named Marlin, after Jim Marlin himself. They have gone out of business and been re-bought and retooled by Ruger. I don't think they're as good a quality because the original Marlins you just can't beat.
Speaker 2:But my old man put that gun in my hand when I was 15. And I carry it every time I go out. I just love it. But there's new love. This year I got a 45-70 government lever action and that's in a Henry and we're going to draw first blood with that puppy this year. So, but I won't forget about the old 35. She's. She's the old reliable. And I don't know how much you guys follow me on instagram, but all the years that I've been on instagram I usually take like that buddy picture with my old reliable and I sit back and I look and I go, oh, my God, I'm 50 years old. I've been carrying this thing since I was 15. Holy crap, it seems like yesterday. But yeah, that's my old reliable man. I just love that old gun.
Speaker 4:Mine would have to be my Fool's Market Hunter. It's the oldest call I have. It was probably made in the early, early 2000s. I have many other calls that I've used over the years that I love and, love and love. But even when I got in a competition calling I went back to that market hunter because I know it so well. Um that, and if I'm on private land gotta have a couple beers right after the hunt.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 4:A successful hunt. Successful hunt.
Speaker 1:That's true, that's very true For me. I mean, I couldn't even tell you, like, obviously, one of them's hat, one of them is one of the killing hats that is absolutely just beat up and destroyed it at this point, but even though, like, I want to throw it away because it's so like destroyed and just like now and I refuse to wash it, I left. I left it once in the back of the tailgate and, you know, during a rainstorm some water got in there and everything like that, and so the thing got all moldy. So all I did was I moved it to to my garage and I keep it in there. I I'm like I, no matter what, I'm not throwing away this hat Like this is the OG of my killing hats, like this thing staying staying with me.
Speaker 1:But, um, I actually have my original, my first bow ever, ever bought, my old, uh, psc. Um, I think PSC stinger in the plan is eventually, when I learn how to work on bows myself, I eventually want to restring that and take it out for one last hunt and try to kill a big buck with it One day, if I get private property or something like that, that's going to be a special type of hunt, or maybe I'll then pass it down to my kids, or something like that.
Speaker 3:That'd be badass dude, I personally really don't have anything outside of my old um fingertip release. Everything I've kind of gotten now and lately is brand new or at least semi-new at this point in my career, uh. But I always left my old fingertip release because that's how I started off. Um hunting was with it and ever since then it's always been with me. Now I've got the new uv um button release and but I've always carried that with me now as a backup in case that one was to break or in any case a scenario, because I've always practiced with it. I know what I want to do with it. I want to know, I know how to operate.
Speaker 1:So I just come to something that's always been the back of my pocket so I like how he said he really doesn't have anything in the name, something that's completely like, yeah, I had the last bow, I got my phase four, I just got that last year and that's all.
Speaker 3:That's brand new. Yeah, I really have. Everything else was pretty much bought brand new last year, the year before I I do have one more.
Speaker 4:It's and I just thought about it. It's always been in my trapping bag because for some odd reason, I always lose my dog proof setter. It's a, you know. I've only been trapping to two seasons now, but since I started I have a screwdriver probably about 14 inches long, flathead screwdriver, and if I happen to lose my trap setter and I'm setting new traps, I I use that and I've had that since I started trapping.
Speaker 1:All right, I like that. I like that Works like a charm. Well, welcome brother, you made it. You made it just in time, like you're you're. You made it just the time. I think we only did did two topics but, I want to hear, I want to hear what you got to say on on this one um, you know, you got something um old, reliable versus new tech. What's something that stood the test of time for you, a piece of equipment a piece of equipment for myself.
Speaker 5:Um, to be honest, I know this is I'm probably like behind, behind times here, but when I first started hunting all my in-laws' or family's property, I would always just go out there and just walk the property and just find sign. But then a buddy of mine he actually I never used Onyx Maps, I never did Download the app, did all this and the total map whatever, like elevation, stuff like that, and ever since using that and pinpointing my stands, you know, setting the correct winds and stuff like that, has actually for myself, like I know it's simple but like it's changed a lot for a lot of my in-laws' property, like a ton For myself now, like my brother-in-law, sister-in-law, also hunting with me now and they learned a lot last year and it it screwed up a lot of stuff. But again I wasn't upset because I'm just enjoying it out there with them, but like they went out to hunt when they were bored, like oh, we're nothing to do, sorry, I'm gonna go hunt, but they never sat good winds, you know. Then they got frustrated. They never seen deer during daylight and stuff like that, and it screwed up a lot of stuff out there. But, um, later in the gun season.
Speaker 5:Then my sister-in-law started actually using also onyx map watching the winds. So, okay, well, I can't sit this stand tonight because it's a bad wind. I'm gonna go sit across the river and just like that, she was seeing deer every night. So I I learned that they learned a lot. I'm learning a lot, still learning a lot. But I strictly go off my wins now obviously, which I should. I don't just go out there to sit because I want to sit, because I'm bored, or I'm not coaching CrossFit or something like that.
Speaker 1:I got you on that, you know. And one more actually on the scare. I got you on that, you know. And one more actually on the scare, Like if you for you guys to give a recommendation for a piece of equipment that to somebody who's getting into hunting, like what is something that is like extremely like important piece of equipment from you know, like me and I'll give the example because, like I know one of you guys might take this Cause, like I know one of you guys might take this Like I think having a good pair of boots is like one of the most important things.
Speaker 1:Um, not only just a new hunter, but any hunter is going to really invest in, like, at the end of the day, like especially us on public land and everything like that, when you're in those woods going deep and everything like that, you want a good pair of boots. You, you want boots that are going to keep you warm during during those winter months. Um, I think boots is one of those investments that it's 100 worth it and something that everyone should really look into a little more than maybe say certain people do would this be something that it's gear related could be?
Speaker 1:get whatever you doesn't necessarily that it's gear related. Could be get what whatever. You doesn't necessarily have to be gear related. Mine was just gear related I would say knowledge.
Speaker 3:That's what I would say, like if you're getting into the wood in the hunting, like let's just take hunting in general, not bow hunting specific or gun specific, but like hunting in general, not bow hunting specific or gun specific, but read some fucking books, get out there in the field but read books and learn more about whitetail deer itself.
Speaker 3:And the more that knowledge is power and the more that you can learn about whitetail deer. And I say whitetail deer your enemy, but I use as a term because, in my opinion, when you're going out hunting and you're going out to war in some capacity and how I see it, and in order to win you gotta kill the deer, so you gotta know everything about them. So I gotta put meat in the freezer. How do I beat deer on their own turf? I gotta know everything there is about them and know them in and out. So if I know deer themselves, I know how they're operating, day after day, month to month, year to year, I know their biology, I know my property, I know this and that and I'm just out there, I would just say study, study, study. That's. That's what I would say I like that.
Speaker 1:I like that. You said it's like going to war, because it it literally is like it's it's. You have to get into the mindset of of these animals. You have to. You know, you look at what people do in the military and everything like that. Like, besides us getting shot at it's we, we're doing a lot of the, a lot of the same things.
Speaker 3:All right I mean, yeah, go ahead. No, I was gonna say, yeah, it's in order to win, you gotta put me in the freezer. So what do you got to do? You got a game plan. We're doing this months out, months out in advance, and that's what the military does and what I was always trained in law enforcement was know your enemy and you'll succeed. And you have to prepare and practice in real life situations. So in the off season, I'm practicing what would be. Your comes from this type of situation and constantly think about a million different situations, even when I'm out there in the stand thinking about a million different situations that could come about. So that's something that I always preach to new hunters when they ask me questions, and something I preach on the show is study, study, study, practice, practice, practice. But you also got to think different scenarios because you're going out there and you got to win.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can go on and on about that, but that's a quick portion of it.
Speaker 2:I mean I can. What I would say, adding on to that, if I can, is that to answer that question too, would be knowledge of your equipment. Know your equipment inside and out. Know how safety works. Know how to look beyond your target, you know, and what you intend to kill. Know what's ahead of you as far as getting that animal out of the woods. How far of a drag is it going to be, how you prepare yourself to do all that, whether you're packing it out or dragging it out, and then your preparations after that. But you know it all goes hand in hand, kind of like what Brett was saying the education of learning the animal that you're after how to you know outsmart them, how to outwit their noses, and just know your equipment, practice with your equipment.
Speaker 2:I don't know how many people I don't know how many people over the years that I've seen and they don't even know how to load their weapon the right way. And it's like you just sit there and you're like and you want to go hunting. Really you don't know what you're even doing with a gun in your hand. I mean, how much did you go to the range and practice shooting offhand versus shooting off a bench. I mean, we don't have a, I mean in my hunting blind. Yes, I do have a window that I can rest on and I can take a shot, but 90% of the time you're shooting offhand. But what do you do when you go to the range? You're shooting off a bench. What the hell good is that? It's not teaching you anything. So you got to be proficient in the weaponry that you're using. You know, know that you could draw that arrow back and maybe your arrow might make a slight swishy sound on your rest. Or, you know, maybe you've got a quiver that vibrates a little bit. Learn to silence those things.
Speaker 2:When you're at home practicing, you know, knowing your equipment is going to make you a more proficient hunter. And you know it touches back even to what mike says a good pair of boots. You can't stay in the woods if you're uncomfortable guys, it doesn't work. So you know these are things that you sit and think about. And you know, like I took up saddle hunting so I had to rush, I had to learn, I had to, you know, learn along the ways. I'm better under pressure when I'm out in the woods. I just learn. So you know, but take the time, practice. Know what your eight, your, your aiders, are doing. When you're setting yourself up, you could slide back, you can move forward. I mean setting yourself up to hang your pack, picturing yourself, having, like brett said, having to take that shot at a different angle, or maybe to your weak side. Practice these things. It's all about educating yourself. Talk to other hunters, send it on podcasts like this Listen when you're working or you got a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2:You know the subconscious mind will absorb a lot, even if you're busy doing something. If you hear something and you're talking, people are talking about it. You'll just automatically pick up on it or you may remember a tip that somebody said about something, and I think that's important. That's a real key thing, especially nowadays. You have to pay attention, you have to learn from your mistakes and the biggest thing is, like I said, it goes back to that equipment knowing your equipment, practicing proficiently with your equipment and then when you make that kill and that animal goes down, really that's your most rewarding moment. With all the stuff, all the time that you put together, you know, making your arrows and tuning your bow and making sure you could take the freaking heart out of a deer at 40, 45 yards without even blinking an eye. Because that muscle memory comes back like that? Why? Because you practice and you put the time in.
Speaker 3:Have you ever seen that shot with Michael Jordan where he's talking to Machumbo or Macumbo? He goes, macumbo, this shot's for you and he shoots the free throw, blinded. He's blinded where he shuts both his eyes.
Speaker 4:Muscle memory just to kind of come for that to jump off of both of you.
Speaker 4:Um, you know, as a waterfowler, I think the most critical part is knowing your equipment and what your equipment can handle. Um, like you guys have talked about, uh, onyx, I use hunt stand. There's another app that I also use. It's called naltide. There is thousands of gps coordinates all over the east coast, especially new jersey, maryland, new york, all the everywhere.
Speaker 4:Um, know the wind, know the direction the wind's coming in, know what your boat can handle and know the area you're boating in. I I know, especially this year and part of last year, we did a lot of open water hunting, so we're not hunting. You know 20-foot wide ditches that we know are 15, 18-foot deep or 8-foot deep, whatever it is. We're hunting open bays or at any given point that those sandbars could have shifted and now, at low tide, we're not going to get through somewhere where we could have got through a month ago. You know I see it all the time out there like that. You know I've heard so many horror stories of guys getting stranded. You know, just this past year I know a guy that got stranded had the Coast Guard come in. It was a really, really scary ordeal. Don't be one of those guys and I know it's so easy to take your boat out, you know, down to the shore, uh, to go striper fishing, flounder fishing, whatever is in the back bays in the summertime where, yeah, if the wind picks up, you're going to take on three foot swells. You know my little 16 john boat, in the summertime I can run through three foot rollers. Why? Because the water's warm, it don't bother you. In the winter time, you hit those three foot rollers. Now why? Because the water's warm, it don't bother you In the wintertime you hit those three foot rollers. Now your entire boat's going to be covered in ice. You're going to be covered in ice and that 20 minute boat ride is going to feel like three hours and there's going to be a race because you didn't prepare well and now your body can't handle it.
Speaker 4:Life jackets obviously New Jersey made the law this past year. From November 1st I think it's November 1st to May 1st you have to wear a life jacket while operating a motorcraft, whether it be a jet ski, john boat, big boat, whatever it is, everybody on board, which is, I think, is a great thing. But, yeah, know your weather, where you're going, even if you're walking into a spot you don't want to walk, you know, a mile into a, into a small pond, and there's going to be two foot of snow. Not that I think we'll see that in the future in jersey, but um, just, I mean, it's super crucial with the waterfowl deal because that water is a literal life changer yeah, yeah anyway Anyone else on that topic, all right, we can move on.
Speaker 1:You know one thing. Another topic is is it gimmicks or game changer? Is there anything that you guys have used, um, that you know? Maybe? You see it's something that's not necessarily or something it's like, oh shit, that's not good. You know, that's just stupid. Why would, why would I get it? But you buy it anyway and it actually turns out to be really useful. Is there anything out there like ozonics?
Speaker 1:I've heard great things about ozonics. Um, you know, I I know some of their things. I 100% understand how it works, like you know when you're talking about their bags and everything like that and you can use the ozonic, ozonic system. I've never been a big believer in the ozonics one that you put up with you in the tree and everything like that. If your wind swirls up like it's to me, I don't see how it would work. So that would probably be one of mine. I imagine there's plenty of people out there that would say that's not true at all, but you know what I mean. Ozonics would be one of mine, with the one that you use in the tree and everything like that. That's something that I just I don't. I don't see how you would have to have a perfect day, perfect wind and and everything like that for it to work. In my opinion?
Speaker 3:I have one. Oh, I'm sorry Squatch.
Speaker 2:No go ahead.
Speaker 3:Buddy, there's a lot of products out there, but I can't remember which one there was, but that was on my mind and it was like that just seems like a load of shit. But Ozanx was the other one where I was like that just seems like a load of shit, but I was on, so it was the other one where I was like that just seems like a bunch of crap. It just seems like really, you're going to put I don't know, I just I think most of that stuff out there in some ways, just for you to spend money on their stuff and for them to make product money and them to get rich type deal. I, in my opinion, I have my own personal beliefs on scent itself and to buy that product. I would never spend my money on that. That's one thing for sure. I wouldn't. I wouldn't do if, as soon as I think of the product, I'm gonna say it, but I can't think about right now, damn it. I'm sorry so thanks.
Speaker 2:So two things that I I learned this year was uh, rack getter sense has a scent that's called hot the hot the trot. And you know, as I've used a lot of scents over the years, you know all the big brand name ones black widow, tinks. You know, uh, code blue, I've used just about everything under the sun. I've had a mile success with what I've used over the years. But uh, I really like gerard's products, you know, and it's not this isn't like a shameless plug out to him or anything, but I am on the field staff with him and I did try a little bit of everything and I've really come to notice the guy pays attention to what he's making. And I had an eight-point buck, a mature buck, running a doe came in from the same direction. I walked into my two-man stand and he broke off a live hot dough to run down the trail that I sprayed with that hot the trot and I can't, I can't tell you and my other bucks that came down my trails same same kind of scenario, spraying as I walk in. And I gotta tell you it's not a gimmick, it's not a freaking gimmick, the stuff works, it really works.
Speaker 2:And the second one that I swear by is scent assassin. Now, believe you me, out of all the years I've been doing this, you're never, ever, ever going to freaking, confuse a deer. As far as human scent, you can do everything under the sun. I mean I stop washing with any kind of scented soap and all the same here I do not wash my hair with like scented soap. I go pure, just plain Jane, that you know decent stuff and I wash my body with it to get the stuff off of me you have to shower in the morning, especially me. I mean, I got all this hair on my face. It holds a lot of smells, right? You're never going to be, you're never going to beat a deer. They're going to smell your breath, they're going to smell what you're doing. But any little thing helps and I use scent assassins, earth cover set, especially in the early season, and I can tell you I've got pictures to prove it. I've had the wind at my back. The deer have been standing right there, even out away from me, not just something right in my scent cone further out where it can lay down. And I've been in the stand five, six hours.
Speaker 2:Dude, I'm telling you the stuff works. And if it didn't work, I wouldn't use it. Um, jimmy George is a great guy. He, he, uh, he really like you know he's a genuine dude. He likes your posts, he doesn't ghost you. Um, just a great product, man. I and you know you think they're gimmicks, ah, hell. But I tell you, out of everything I've been using the longest, it's his earth scent and I swear by it. That's the first thing. My clothes get doused. I douse it in that I air them out outside and I'm good for the season. Man, I just I believe in that stuff. 110% man.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I definitely. I can definitely second that squash because I'm also a partisanescent and I use the unscented, not the dirt unscented. And I had situations last year, the wind at my back and I mean not just a light wind, I had wind coming hard on my back and those deer had no idea I was even there at all. And I'm not just saying that because I'm part of the, I think I'm saying because, like, like, squash is saying that the shit works, like this stuff actually freaking works yeah, I think, um, you know, for me I don't the only thing I use from scent assassins is um to wash my clothes and everything like that.
Speaker 1:Um, but gerard also from from racket or he has the same. He has a dirt spray, he has um neon scented spray. So, like, I use those, I think a lot of the companies now, and you know gerard's my guy, I've been using, I've been with him, you know, for for so long now, really good friends, like we're really talking earlier. You know, I think you, just where the industry comes, like gerard to me, and like, just like squash said, like he really pays attention, like you, look at just all the products, the whole line of products. You know they are just all the products, the whole line of products. You know they are just phenomenal, the work that he goes. And then, also, like what I love about Gerard too, is like you, he takes our recommendations in there. He like, if you come up with something like, hey, you know, I need, I need this and I do, what do you think about this? All right, let me, let me go see, I'm going to make you a bottle, right, and he'll make stuff specially for you know, for people, and everything like that. You know you, just, you know, I know a bunch of us that have said they, we want specific stuff, like some of his bear. His bear stuff is absolutely phenomenal. I absolutely love his, his bear stuff and everything like that.
Speaker 1:But, um, like I said for sent assassins, like I use their laundry detergent and everything like that, um, and I, I'll get the, the spray and I use his body uh, his body soaps and and everything like that, because I think it's like swatch, you're not gonna fool a deer. You're at this point. We're just trying to slowly maybe confuse them a little bit. You know what I mean and also I think it's it's part of what we're talking about earlier. It's you know, it's, it's what we do now. Like it's like you start the season like alright, no more bathing and scent. Like Bianca will tell me like I, just I stop everything. Like during the off season I will put on the girliest stuff, so I don't care. Like, like, alright, bianca will do a face mask on me. I'm like, let's go do this. She has these shit. What the Bianca will do a face mask on me? I'm like, let's go do this, she has these shit. What the Bianca? What is it called that you have that I be rubbing on myself.
Speaker 4:We're getting back to the LGBTQ talks here.
Speaker 1:The body scrub, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's all right, yeah right, it's the time to talk about it.
Speaker 1:You know the body scrub like a, but once, like August, hits, all that goes out the window. I'm living like a basically caveman, just taking regular showers with plain old you know soap from, from sun assassins, everything like that. And I'll say also, one product I definitely believe in that I didn't find out until we had him on um was mike um and he runs hex. So, um, obviously it's, it's one of the companies I were with, but we had mike on the show and you know, and whoever hasn't listened to that episode of, first of all, I go highly recommend that because this hex suit is absolutely amazing. So basically, the suit cuts down our electrical impulse that we're putting out there.
Speaker 1:Everyone knows that all living species do put out you know electrical, electrical impulse of whatever, whatever the hell it's called. And I'll tell you, I've had animals walking on top of me when I'm, when I'm hunting from the ground. I've been, you know, close to big bucks where it's like they're not. I think I got spotted out of the tree, I think once this year, once still doing the same stuff of moving and everything like that. I think I got spotted out there once and when I was at kill my buck, shout out to racket. I already caught that um, the hot trap, but I was able to to move and everything like that, and the deer was coming head on when I was able to draw back.
Speaker 1:Now I'm not saying it's a hundred percent Like it could have been, that I was high enough where but the stuff does help. It especially helps with birds hunting turkeys and everything like that. I really want to test it out for waterfall, but not enough. The guys that we go with have it, so it wouldn't really be useful for it for me to do it or anything like that. But hex is one of those things that definitely does does work and I definitely do believe in yeah, I got a big one.
Speaker 4:As far as the gimmicks go and now in in the early 2000s, this was definitely not a gimmick. It was probably the most revolutionary decoy to ever hit the market is and I'm not just talking brand specific nowadays the spin wing. Um, I am not a fan of a spin wing decoy whatsoever. I have one. The only exception of that is hunting tight like wood duck holes where they're only going to see a glimpse of it. In my opinion personal opinion I am going to grab uh some people call them a wobbler vibrator the Rippler decoys. I'm going to grab the um Hidgen makes them the Hidgen splasher. Um, every single time over a spin wing, I've just had way too many instances where birds have flared off of them. Uh, geese especially. You know if, if you are lucky enough and have a field where you them geese especially, you know, if you are lucky enough and have a field where you can hunt ducks, you're not going to kill geese with a spin wing going in the field. I mean, even guys out west know that. That's why they have the remotes for them. Now, um the, like I said, wood ducks are kind of the only exception, just because you know where I hunt wood ducks. It's a three foot wide stream and they're going to be coming 60 mile an hour down, hitting the brakes for five seconds. You know, it doesn't really matter too much. You just you need that to catch their eye.
Speaker 4:Um, on the flip side, to talk about what you guys are talking about, I I've never you know, that's something I I've never really taken into consideration was was sent. Um, I've always just watched my wind. Uh, you know, I'm sure it's. It plays a huge part in it. I'm not the most avid deer hunter in the world. I go out, I shoot my buck every year and you know that's kind of what I do. I hunt the same spot year in, year out. I know what the wind's gonna do. I know what direction I'm not even gonna get my truck for in the morning. Um, you know, nine times out of ten I'm not really chasing a five, six, seven year old deer. I've killed one over five, uh, but yeah, you know, I that's, that's just something I don't do. I'm not saying don't do it, but that's just something I don't do you're a big waterfowl guy yeah that's.
Speaker 4:It's a good thing, ducks don't have noses yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Ducks and turkeys we eat too many little debbies in the, in the blind so for, for, for this next part, I want to get in some scenarios with you guys and everything like that. I love hunting. I talk about hunting scenarios. Um, you know, for for somebody who, especially for for people who who are newer, and everything like that and just looking for experience. You know you got a giant pattern, but the wind's wrong. Well, what you know, what is something that you're going to do? Is there, is there something that is there, any way you can counteract that? And I know wind is almost anything, but does it depend on the property? Is there any way? You know you guys have properties, or gives an input where somebody still wants to get out, what is something that they can still do, or maybe even have a shot at getting that buck with even the wrong wind?
Speaker 2:I'll go first, um, if I have I. Typically the deer that I'll target are four and a half and above. Um doesn't mean I won't shoot a younger buck, but the best advice I can give you in all the years I've been out is if the wind's not right and it's, let's say, it's october, the rut may be just starting to like fire up. The best advice I can do to tell you is get the hell out of there. Don't let them learn you. Um, if you can get a better wind situation, I'll break down a piece of property. So you know it's year after year after year when I'm sitting there I'm hunting these same places. So you learn them pretty good. Um, here's a prevailing wind, mostly from the West. Uh, during that time of year sometimes I get a Northwest as a dominant wind. So you know your stand set up is crucial. If you have a buck that's moving on your cameras or whatever you see him and the wind's not in your favor, just get the hell out of here. Don't go to go to another piece of land. You know, if you can, you can free yourself up. Go hunt another piece of land. That day you're better off because they will pattern you faster than you can pattern them and it takes an inkling of human scent and they're gone. And they'll take a week, a week and a half, that they're moseying around through somebody else's adjoining property where they can catch an arrow or a bullet, and you're going to cry because somebody else got your buck. And that's why I say don't risk it. A mature buck is one of the smartest animals out there. You have to have all the right. I mean, I killed a buck two years ago. I stayed away from the stand. I had my cameras there. My cameras were out all year and I knew he was there and I was like nope, nope, I'm not going there yet. Nope, the wind's right, I'm not going there yet. You know, when I started to move into that spot and I killed him, I saw a buck starting to chase does. I worked for a highway department. I was out on the roads. I seen a deer running. I said, man, when I get home, now's the time to move into that spot. Why? Because that buck was comfortable where he lived. He's like I don't smell anything here. There's been nothing here. I know there's that funny thing leaning against that apple tree over there, but I haven't smelled that other thing. That's usually in it. So I'm cool, I can hang out there and I can stage my doe in her bedding area and I can get there. But then when he got in there he had another inkling Uh-oh, there's a squatch, I'm going to get shot. And he did so.
Speaker 2:My, my number one rule to live by is play that win. If you're in jeopardy of ruining your hunt and maybe spooking that buck out of there, just be patient. Move to another piece of land, try a different area, stay out of there. If you've got it where you can kind of manipulate the win and you've set your territories up where you say, okay, well, I can sneak over up to this edge I know he kind of skirts that, that property sometimes too and you're not jeopardizing anything, do it. You don't capitalize on it. But I'm telling you hands down you think you know them. They got you pinned, man, so don't blow it with a bad wind, just stay the hell out of there.
Speaker 3:In my opinion, obviously, we're all going based off of our own hunting experience and knowledge, so I don't disagree with what Squatch is saying. However, with my property that I'm specifically hunting, I've hunted on bad winds where I've only had two days of hunting, my two days off, and I'm like, fuck it, I want to get out in the woods and hunt. I don't give a shit if it fucks up my stuff. I'm going to tell you there's been a lot of times where I've been out there hunting and I have a west wind and I'm like, oh perfect, they're gonna be coming from the west, they're not gonna smell me this and that. But then again, the deer that I'm after is coming from the east and they just come from all different fucking directions. It's just gonna happen. We'd love for them to all the planet coming from the from certain directions, but at the end of the day, there's a lot of animals. They're going to do what they do.
Speaker 3:You can't predict all these movements now, like squatch did. Yes, do the best you can to eliminate your scent out there, but I have my my own personal beliefs on scent and I'll even tell you this where I hunt is my favorite rut location on our property. I need a south wind. That's the main priority wind that I need to have to hunt that area. However, I can get away with a southeast east and possibly a southwest west wind. If it's a north of any kind, I'm fucked because everything obviously is coming from the other direction. I pushed up the limits one day. I had a northwest wind. I was like screw it. Something's telling me just go sit in the stand and squash knows about it, because it was the deer that I missed the opportunity with that giant one yeah and he came from the east and I had a northwest wind, so they obviously were interjecting with the wind and he was coming right into his nose.
Speaker 3:He literally was right underneath my stand. So at the same time yes, scent is a very important thing, but obviously that showed the scent was going of me, was going right into him, and he was right underneath me and he was just walking towards food. This wasn't the rut, this wasn't anything.
Speaker 3:This was like the second ish week of october yeah so, in my opinion, do your best to pet her the wind, pet her the deer, the best you can there at the. But at the end of the day, these, these are wild animals and sometimes your scent might not freak them out and, like I said me being out in the woods, I talked to Squatch about this the other day In my personal belief, I think you can teach deer, you can train them to be like cattle in some capacity. Because I strongly feel like if you're out there once every two weeks, you're out there kind of on some type of regulatory basis, then they aren't. And let's say you're out there from once a month to put your child cameras out there.
Speaker 3:Then October 1st comes, you're out there almost every day. Then they're like well, what the fuck is this smell? I don't like it, and they get freaked out. Now, if you're out there like once every two weeks, now they're starting to get used to it. It's not freaking them out as much. And now, when october 1st comes and they, let's say they do smell you, they're now like, oh, I've smelled this before, it's nothing. But then they just move about in your day and there you go. That's my point of take on it and going on.
Speaker 2:But I just want to interject because I thought of something of a way to put this. If you've ever had dogs and you scold your dog, say you smack them on the nose. You know, just give them a little tap on the nose and they back up. That's a buck smelling your scent. Okay, now when you say come on, come here, come here, come here, and they kind of like shy, they shy and they're, they're getting away from you, and then the next day they start to come back. Come on, come on. You tell them, come here. And the dog starts to finally come a little closer, a little closer, and the next day they forgot all about it. It's the same way a buck treats your scent. When they smell you, it's that smack in the nose, but they don't get hurt, there's no reaction, and they go on feeding or chasing a doe or doing what they're doing now. The next time that buck comes through that area, oh, that's a smack in the nose. But wait a minute, I'm okay, I can, I can go through there. So look at it like that.
Speaker 2:That's just a little visual that I had in my head to kind of make you guys think of of. You know, a scolded dog is kind of like a deer that's learning the scent of a human and then learning what they can get away with with that scent. You know it's. I'm not saying like rut, if you had that wind. You know, like, say you get that dominant wind, screw the wind during the rut, all bets are off. They're not paying attention to you. I've walked right up on bucks just chasing down. They're insane. They don't care about the wind, they'll come from places you never thought. But I'm saying in that early season, those October mornings, when we're really starting to knuckle down on the bucks that we want to kill, just got to be careful. You know, I'm not saying you can't get them to come in, but just gotta be careful.
Speaker 2:But that's the best way I could give you guys a description. It's like you know, you give that little tap to a dog and they kind of, you know, shine and they start coming in slower. It's the same. I mean I'm all apple orchards up behind my house. How much human scent you think is back there when these guys are picked, they're picking, they're picking, and they're not the cleanest guys out there either, no offense, but they, they smell. I'm sure they smell a little bit. These deer get used to the scent, you know. So I got it a little easier. But I don't. You know, a deer is still a deer. It's been bred into them to to shy away from human scent. It's genetics. It's through the years of of, you know, being chased, they know. But that's all.
Speaker 4:That's all I got I was gonna say know your property? Um, yeah, know your deer, know your property. In my experience with the property I hunt two separate piece of property, private property. One is very highly exposed to the human scent, whether it be me directly in there checking cameras. I trap. In the later part of January I trap my bait. Mike knows this. I'm a bait pile hunter. I'm a meat guy.
Speaker 4:I don't chase horns a whole lot, I expect when I go into the woods, because I don't do it three or four times a week I expect to go in the woods and get a chance at a deer, whether that be bad wind, good wind, rain, whatever, overcast, whatever you want to talk about with that. So I'm very peculiar on the days. I pay very, very close attention to my deer patterns. Obviously I think everybody can agree those are a little easier to pattern. You know they're not as as fluky as bucks are. You know they're not running a five mile circuit, seven mile circuit, um, but I think if you have a consistent food source, the way I do it, you know I hunt 80 yards off of a bed. You know. And, like I said, I'm very particular the days I go in. You know I hunt 80 yards off of a bed. You know, and, like I said, I'm very particular, the days I go in, you know, um, not to, you know, consistently run deer out of a bed.
Speaker 4:I'm not shooting eight deer a year off these properties. I'm shooting one to two deer off of property, um, but, as I keep coming back to um, if you know your deer movement, if you know the property, what it's been exposed to, what you're exposing to it, just like Brett and Squatch said, um, you know, I don't think a bad wind can hurt you. If you make it hurt you, it will. You know, like I said priorly, I don't. I watch what the regular soap, I do every day.
Speaker 4:But before I go into the woods I have some kind of scent eliminator, you know, just something to block it out, to help. You know, I don't want to go in there smelling like vanilla lavender. You know, um, but yeah, I've, I've killed plenty of deer with the wind, you know, with the wind coming from behind me blowing right on the bait pile. But it's because I'm in there, just like brett said, you know, every two weeks, you know every week, just doing something, like I said, whether it be baiting, checking piles, checking traps, uh checking cameras, doing whatever. Yeah, that's, that's, that's just me so well, we'll do.
Speaker 1:We'll do one more. We're getting to the hour point. We'll have to do this again, and definitely with the scenarios. I you know, I love the scenarios that we have here and I want to do this segment a little more with the scenarios and everything like that. But here's one you're deep in on public land mid-November and hear another hunter grunting 100 yards away. Are you going to signal him back out? Stay put and hope he pushes deer to you, try to out call him, or is there something else that? What would your game plan be in that scenario? You got a hunter best part of the year, 100 yards away, just grunting, going crazy ideal get the fuck out of here I usually well, yeah, because yeah, I mean you're on private property.
Speaker 3:So if somebody was, was on your property I, I, you'd do way more than that, so I'm on my own private property and someone 100 yards away on their own property, or are they on my property?
Speaker 1:how big? How big is your property? My property is 80 acres so I mean if they're, I mean, I guess, if you're on the edge, but wherever your main rut spot is, is that like 100 yards away from from the other property?
Speaker 3:yeah, because it's probably. I can hear them running their lawnmower and leaf blower and their turnpike all up and down the fucking road and they're probably, like I don't know, a good 600 yards away, but I can hear them like they're right next to me. Yeah, I want to text them and yell at them like shut the fuck up, I'm trying to hunt.
Speaker 1:What would you do with your neighbor in that instance? If I don't know if your neighbor hunts at all, but if he was hunting or had somebody come out on their land or whatever and you know this guy's being is grunting and kind of being a, a disturbance, because we all know, just grunting your, your, your ass off doesn't really do much in that situation. Not only I mean sometimes, yeah, maybe, but for the most part I, I, you would think it's gonna have more of a negative effect I would in my scenario.
Speaker 3:In that scenario, because I have my neighbor's number, I'll text him like hey man, like last year for instance, it was like every day getting leading up to the rut, even in the rut, and he's a hunter too, but he's primarily a rifle hunter and bastard. Yeah, I know right, fucking tricks. Uh, he's just leaf blower galore going. I'm just losing my mind and I'm just like dude, shut the fuck up man. So I think at this point I'm like hey man, respectfully, we hunt right next to each other.
Speaker 3:You know I'm out here during archery season. At least 95% of the time I'm going to be. There's 95% chance I'm going to be out in the woods. You know that. But it's hard to do that because that's the only time I see him is during the hunting season. So we don't have that type of relationship. But I think you should at least like approach it in some nice way, like hey man, is there any way you can do that earlier in the day or some other day or some shit like that, because I get it, leaves are falling and stuff like that, but because I wouldn't want to be doing that if he's out there hunting, but then if he's doing it to me. I'm gonna be a dick. I'll do it right back I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, might as well I think there's a way to go about it and if, like I, said if I have his number, so I think just sending a text message hey, is there anything that we can do to work this out where I'm not messing up your hunt, you're not messing my hunt with the leaf blowers and all this noise and grunting and all this crap? Or even if he, let's say I don't have his phone number, just walk up to his house and like hey man, and just talk it out like that, cause we're all hunters, we're all trying to help each other in some way be successful out in the woods. So I don't think there's anything wrong. You're like hey, I'm out here hunting. I've noticed this been going on, this kind of been getting on my frustration. Is there anything that we can do about it? If he tells you, no, go, fuck off. Well, that's best you can do.
Speaker 3:It's his property yeah but at least you can say you tried so.
Speaker 2:So the question was if you're out hunting and somebody is groaning a hundred yards away from you not on public land, you're on your land and they're on?
Speaker 1:No, but just for just for Brett, it was on. It was on private Cause, I know, I know, uh, Brett doesn't do much public. But the question would be um, you're where the hell is it? Um, you're where the hell is it? Uh, you're deep in on public mid-november and you hear another hunter running 100 yards away. Would you signal and back out, stay put and hope he pushes deer to you, try to call him out or, you know, do what. What else could? Would you, would you possibly do?
Speaker 2:I mean, I would.
Speaker 2:I've been in that situation before on public um, especially up on the dep land that I hunt um, and typically I kind of know who's in that area.
Speaker 2:If I do hear something, at a courtesy I'll try to skirt further in or away from whoever that noise is. Um, I've had it be where you're sitting there you'll hear somebody grunting or rattling, and sometimes a buck will just, you know, cruise past them and come right to you, um, but most of the time I I don't like people, like I try to get away from people on a safety issue kind of thing. Yeah, so I just, you know, if I'm that close and I either see the person rattling here and making grunt call, I'm just going to really like sneak out, just kind of like distance myself, maybe double the distance or triple the distance away from where I'm going, or triple the distance away from them where I'm going. There's been tons of times, though, I've been up on those mountains, you know, and you're cutting a track and you'll see somebody sitting on a rock wall. Hey, gentle, wave up and just keep on moseying along and just get to your own little spot so you can hang out, you know, or do whatever, but no.
Speaker 2:I don't really I just try to get away from people. I mean, like on private I've had it where idiots will drive down the edge of the property line in the good orchard, shoot out the window of their truck, don't even get out to check and see if they hit the animal and then keep riding around the orchard. You know, as it's dark or getting dark and I've emptied my magazine on my 40 just to scare them off out of there, I'll let them know I was there so well you know, they're shooting at me in the tree line and they don't know I'm there and you know I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm not taking aim at them or anything. I didn't think you were taking aim at them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just wild that people I hate, that people do shit like that. I mean.
Speaker 2:I've watched. I actually have it recorded, I'll show you sometime. The guy literally is creeping along through the orchard. I'm in the thick orchard. That's private land and there's an open orchard next to that land and I'm watching him and I'm like this guy's for real. I'm like you know, it's the last freaking 10 minutes of light and he's going to come cruising here and then boom, and I'm like are you shitting me? You know, and it's like then he drives like another couple of rows up, but boom again. I'm like nah, nah, we're not having this. So you know, I took my 40 out and just emptied the mag and he like flew out of there. You know so. But you know, stupid games win stupid prizes. I kind of give what people put out there and just give it back. If you're considerate, you're polite, we don't have an issue. If you're a dick, I'm a bigger dick. That's all there is to it.
Speaker 4:I have two answers to that. If it's after a let, if it's like between 10 and 11 o'clock, I'm probably just gonna scurry out of there. Um, chances are, if he's grunting like that, rattling like that, he probably doesn't quite know exactly what he's doing and he's already messed the hunt up prior to even making any noise. Um, if it's before 10 11 o'clock, you know, I do deer hunt some private land and 90 of the private land in south jersey. You're going to find fields on it. I'm probably going to move to a field edge, knowing, you know, getting as far away from him as I can. That's just. I mean, that's what I would do. That's just kind of. You know, even just deer hunting in general I've always migrated to field edges, farm fields. You know, even 15, 20 yards inside the woods looking out at a farm field. So if I have the opportunity to, even if it's a forced opportunity, that's what I'm gonna do. How?
Speaker 5:about you craig I've had nothing but shitty luck on public land, so I gave that up. I just have my family land now, but, um, last, the last year. So I'm in green bay, wisconsin, and right off of highway 41, where the bay is, there's a piece of public which is like it's like 62 acres but like 55 of it's all just wet marsh so but there is a pocket of high land that's actually butted up to private land on the back side. So I mean, I always like I, when I scullered in the summertime, whatever I threw a cell cam in there just to see what's in there, and I, when I walked it, I literally walked all that high piece and it's literally big enough for one hunter. So if you see a truck parked there, like out of respect, for my sake, out of respect, okay, he beat me to it, let him have it. You know, I'll just, I'll wait my turn or I'll just take the night off or whatever.
Speaker 4:Well, one morning I got on her salt like that one morning.
Speaker 5:I got out there and I got my lone wolf, whatever. I snuck in there and I'm in there. I got my truck parked and all of a sudden I hear crunching. I'm like, okay, I'd be deer, whatever. And all of a sudden, next thing I know, I got two lights going up. I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker 5:Well, two guys walk in and literally did not know where I was and they set up 10 yards from me and I whistled at them like, hey, I'm here. Didn't you see my truck? They're like it's public, it we don't care. I mean, we've hunted this longer than you've been alive. I'm like, here we go. I'm just like, all right, you guys can have it, whatever. So I got down and then I went on the backside to the private land. I took the guy's hand, asked him permission to hunt on his property and he said, yeah, you can hunt two days. I'm like, all right, sounds good, because I guess his son was coming back from college to hunt, which is a respect, whatever. And so where that high piece is, it's like you know, I'm happy if you take that on the pin.
Speaker 5:Where I was to that guy's property line, it's like literally 80 yards. Well, I set up on his property. But I faced the public because it kind of got a little open there. Those guys literally seen me set up and they got down from their stands and they went another 20 yards and stuck up in the tree. They're like we'll do this all day with you, man. I'm like you know what, this ain't worth it. Man, I'm supposed to be out here enjoying life and and you know whether I shoot a basket, eight or whatever, you know, I don't know what's even out there, but those guys made it pretty difficult.
Speaker 5:Then I had one instance, also same spot. I um, I gave it like I don't know three weeks and I would drive by in 41. I could just see over, like the highway railings. You know, never seen vehicles, never seen vehicles, never seen vehicles. I'm like, all right, maybe they're just done, maybe they got a deer out of there, went back there to go hunt again. No one came in there. So I'm like, okay, you know, I've seen two does that night, whatever. And I got to my truck and there was a note on my truck and the note said we've seen your truck here. Before you come back again, we'll slash your tires. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 5:So it's like, like, whatever, like I could have went through all the whole, should be able to call the dnr I know a lot of like a lot of good buddies that are dnrs here around the green bay area and I'm seeing myself like what am I doing? I got all this private land, you know, and I just like, but it's like I'm not gonna do this, no more, like I'm not gonna get notes on my truck, I'm not gonna have guys follow me in the woods, you know. I mean, like I said, the property it's a big property, but it's like I said it's all marsh, it's all cactails, it's all watered. But then you get that one high piece to that guy's private land and it's like the two instances I had, I was like I'm done and I haven't touched public land since.
Speaker 5:I mean I could, I know I make, I, I eventually want to. But like now that I got my family's land that I think to a T, to a pin, and right now we got actually two bucks on cell cam and come through and it was May 23rd and he was absolutely huge already and that that was the first thing I've ever seen in my life, like having bucks out there that big already on May 23rd. So I was like you know, this year is gonna be all private land. I know I'm safe. I'm enjoying it with my brother-in-law, assistant-in-law, don't have to worry about any bullshit. We know the neighbors. The neighbors are awesome to us. So it's like I'm gonna go enjoy this year and have fun.
Speaker 1:So I'm I'm done with public land for a little while yeah, no, I, I don't blame you with that, that's kind of crazy. Yeah, you know, for me, like it would really just depend on the time of the year, um, and well, not even time of year, obviously it said november, but you know what the property, how big the property is, you know kind of like says, you know I don't really like being around people anyway, but there's a way where you can also use that to your advantage as well. So you know as much as he could be. You know, if he's grunting like that or doing rattling like that, probably doesn't really know what he, what he's doing and everything like that. So you know you can kind of work around him. Um, that's kind of what I would do Usually in November.
Speaker 1:I'm probably going to stay in the woods anyway or by 11 o'clock noontime. Um, you know, like, like Brian said, he would get out. Like I'm probably going to go run to the truck real quick and go get to my, my next spot. You know if it hasn't worked out for me in that one spot, like I usually move um spots a lot. Um, you know squash knows that a lot about me and, frank, you know our guys, like I, I do a lot of moving and I don't like if it doesn't work out for me. Or you know, I got trail cameras everywhere. There's spots that have bucks moving midday. There's gonna be spots that have, you know, early evening and everything like that. So I'm really trying to go find those deer. So that's frustrating.
Speaker 1:He was another hunter screwing up you know the hunt and everything like that. You know I I can either use it as my advantage and, you know, move 200 yards off of him, maybe cut him off from where I think maybe those deer could be coming or moving or whatever the case, or I'm just to just pack up anywhere with the saddle equipment. I've gotten pretty good and pretty quick at getting down and going to a new spot and setting up within within the time limit. So I'd probably do that and just wait for whatever spots the hottest I would go to next. So but, boys, the round table segment is back.
Speaker 1:It was a pleasure getting you guys back to join us. I love doing these things. I definitely want to do at least a few more with you guys and different guys and everything like that and get a lot more in the of the scenarios in there too, of what we would do in that scenario I definitely would got to come up with, um, some waterfowl ones, or brian can come up with some waterfowl ones and kind of teach us. Like I said, this is my second year. I'm still new into into waterfowl, so, um, I know a lot of us here either don't waterfowl or are beginners and stuff like that, so very interested to see what what he would do and everything like that in certain waterfowl it's an addiction.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is. I will say everyone out there who hasn't done it yet it is a absolute addiction and it is so much fun to do, obsessed with waterfowl and everything like that.
Speaker 3:But, guys, any last words, I'll tell you it's June, so if we need some new, I'm sure I can find some for you.
Speaker 1:What type of guys are we talking about here? Squatch is kind Squatch is kind. I'll let you run with it but yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll take, your we'll take your uh washington guys that you're talking about before, uh, before the show.
Speaker 4:I gotta say I have two loyal listeners from washington, not washington state, washington dc. And that surprised me the most out of the podcast. What Having the listeners from Washington DC?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I noticed. Yeah, we had 11 downloads today just from the state of Washington. I was like we're the fucking furthest from being political.
Speaker 4:We've talked to some guys from Washington.
Speaker 3:There's some good old boys out there, yeah we talked to Gary from Washington and he's a great guy. We love talking to him. He makes his own duck, calls right Squatch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and there's a lot of people that if you want to use the term Republican and right-wing theory, they think American, but yeah there's a lot of people out there that are hardworking guys.
Speaker 4:Oh, I got some in.
Speaker 1:Washington DC as well.
Speaker 4:Washington State has one of my favorite towns. What is it called? Walla Walla Washington, or something like that. Walla Walla, walla, walla, yeah.
Speaker 2:And SSL makes with his boyfriend.
Speaker 1:Whoa, whoa, whoa, his boyfriend. In the five years that we've been doing this show LA, I've only had two people listen to the 200 and something episodes from from LA. California does not give our show much love. I don't really have too many Cali Cali listens there, but I don't think I have any. Why I'm going through them now. I don't think I have any washington. Um, never, I don't think I've had anybody from washington. What the hell washington not giving us love?
Speaker 4:we, I think there's. There's only been three states that we haven't reached. It's been really cool to track that. I think that I gotta get brett on.
Speaker 1:Often. That's what it is. Brett just gives them those vibes.
Speaker 4:It's the low tone.
Speaker 3:I think the most we had out of California at a time was like 10. Right now we're sitting at 2.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I do think it's your screen vibe, though, talking into that big black microphone in front of your face.
Speaker 3:I'll say this. My buddy he was like you see that microphone you're talking into yeah, it's my microphone Looks like a big black dick that you're talking into. It doesn't help when Dave's sending you pictures and you're trying to have an actual show and you're trying to be professional and you have to use a microphone to cover up your laughing and all you do is look at your phone.
Speaker 2:you just see a big dick oh yeah, he takes a beat and a turn of the show. Man, big time. Alright, boys.
Speaker 1:It was an absolute pleasure. Appreciate you all for coming on, everyone. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. I hope you loved the little Banter that we had back and forth and everything like that. We'll see you guys next time. See you guys.
